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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He is having a simple precedure on his back today and needs someone to drive him home.  Not a good day for me.  I am hoping his Papa will take care of that.  He always helps out and enjoys spending time with him. I am just having these after feelings from getting a job I never thought I wanted again and yet here I go. Today, after all of the drama, I am so worn out I just cannot take my son if I take klonopin,.  So, that’s the thing.  I am blessed with wonderful inlaws.  They absolutely have  their faults but who doesn’t? I had a fever earlier and took some tylenol.  I don’t know why I keep getting sick.  I am taking all of my vitimans.  I am not eating much at all, however.  That is probably it. How do you eat when you just don’t want to? Love to all, Vicki I recommend liquids like V-8 Juice and Ensure.  Also, one of those energy bars — you can take a bite now and then.  Your appetite will come back, and in the meantime you’ll be getting enough fluids and carbs.  Just my opinion, since I’m not a nutritionist. Love Deirdre

Yep, I agree with Deirdre.  When I get too much anxiety to eat (it’s like my throat cuts off and I throw anything and everything up – even water) my husband force feeds me ensure and energy bars.  I feel a little better just knowing I’m taking in healthy calories because food puts me off.  When I get bad like that, everything, even sugar, tastes salty.  It’s really weird. But, yeah, please try Ensure or an equivelant of; your body needs it. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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PUNK: You declared you would be three inches taller You only became what we made you. Thought you were chasing a destiny calling You only earned what we gave you. You fell and cried as our people were starving, Now you know that we blame you. You tried to walk on the trail we were carving, Now you know that we framed you. G.F.: I’m the guy in the sky Flying high Flashing eyes No surprise I told lies I’m the punk in the gutter I’m the new president But I grew and I bent Don’t you know? don’t it show? I’m the punk with the stutter. My my my my my mmmm my my my. GGGGG-g-g-g-g generation. PUNK: We tried to speak between lines of oration You could only repeat what we told you. Your axe belongs to a dying nation, They don’t know that we own you. You’re watching movies trying to find the feelers, You only see what we show you. We’re the slaves of the phony leaders Breathe the air we have blown you. G.F.: I’m the guy etc. I have to be careful not to preach I can’t pretend that I can teach, And yet I’ve lived your future out By pounding stages like a clown. And on the dance floor broken glass, The bloody faces slowly pass, The broken seats in empty rows, It all belongs to me you know. Up Yours Tanya! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Vicki, How did your son’s procedure go today?  Hope he’s doing well. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He is having a simple precedure on his back today and needs someone to drive him home.  Not a good day for me.  I am hoping his Papa will take care of that.  He always helps out and enjoys spending time with him. I am just having these after feelings from getting a job I never thought I wanted again and yet here I go. Today, after all of the drama, I am so worn out I just cannot take my son if I take klonopin,.  So, that’s the thing.  I am blessed with wonderful inlaws.  They absolutely have  their faults but who doesn’t? I had a fever earlier and took some tylenol.  I don’t know why I keep getting sick.  I am taking all of my vitimans.  I am not eating much at all, however.  That is probably it. How do you eat when you just don’t want to? Love to all, Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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He is having a simple precedure on his back today and needs someone to drive him home.  Not a good day for me.  I am hoping his Papa will take care of that.  He always helps out and enjoys spending time with him. I am just having these after feelings from getting a job I never thought I wanted again and yet here I go. Today, after all of the drama, I am so worn out I just cannot take my son if I take klonopin,.  So, that’s the thing.  I am blessed with wonderful inlaws.  They absolutely have  their faults but who doesn’t? I had a fever earlier and took some tylenol.  I don’t know why I keep getting sick.  I am taking all of my vitimans.  I am not eating much at all, however.  That is probably it. How do you eat when you just don’t want to? Love to all, Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He is having a simple precedure on his back today and needs someone to drive him home.  Not a good day for me.  I am hoping his Papa will take care of that.  He always helps out and enjoys spending time with him. I am just having these after feelings from getting a job I never thought I wanted again and yet here I go. Today, after all of the drama, I am so worn out I just cannot take my son if I take klonopin,.  So, that’s the thing.  I am blessed with wonderful inlaws.  They absolutely have  their faults but who doesn’t? I had a fever earlier and took some tylenol.  I don’t know why I keep getting sick.  I am taking all of my vitimans.  I am not eating much at all, however.  That is probably it. How do you eat when you just don’t want to? Love to all, Vicki

I recommend liquids like V-8 Juice and Ensure.  Also, one of those energy bars — you can take a bite now and then.  Your appetite will come back, and in the meantime you’ll be getting enough fluids and carbs.  Just my opinion, since I’m not a nutritionist. Love Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono My jeans are just starting to look like what is being sold in the stores and my wife takes one look at them and say that it is about time to get some more as these things are worn out!! There should be a law against that!  They are probably just starting to fit great also. Tono

The legs don’t feel like stove pipes either. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono My jeans are just starting to look like what is being sold in the stores and my wife takes one look at them and say that it is about time to get some more as these things are worn out!!

There should be a law against that!  They are probably just starting to fit great also. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono My jeans are just starting to look like what is being sold in the stores and my wife takes one look at them and say that it is about time to get some more as these things are worn out!! — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) When I was a teenager, it was SO uncool to have new looking dark blue jeans.  This was long before "prewashed" jeans were invented.  I remember people would wash the hell out of them, and I had even heard to take rocks and hit them so that they would look worn.  Finally, someone came out with a product that you put in the washing machine that would fade them to the "cool" color.  I was so glad to get my hands on a box of THAT stuff.  It worked perfectly. Sally

I like the black jeans better than the blue ones. They seem to look better to me longer. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono My jeans are just starting to look like what is being sold in the stores and my wife takes one look at them and say that it is about time to get some more as these things are worn out!! — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-)

When I was a teenager, it was SO uncool to have new looking dark blue jeans.  This was long before "prewashed" jeans were invented.  I remember people would wash the hell out of them, and I had even heard to take rocks and hit them so that they would look worn.  Finally, someone came out with a product that you put in the washing machine that would fade them to the "cool" color.  I was so glad to get my hands on a box of THAT stuff.  It worked perfectly. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me.

If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. If I get a T-shirt and it’s only available in black, I wash the hell out of it with the cheapest detergant I can find.  Then it gets faded and looks like it’s "worn in".  Just like jeans.  They hardly sell any that aren’t "pre-washed". Tono

My jeans are just starting to look like what is being sold in the stores and my wife takes one look at them and say that it is about time to get some more as these things are worn out!! — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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red pants, pink socks, and purple shirt Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? I take it this is a girls-only question?

Pretend you’re a girl for a day  ;) Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I like tan with brown and pale blue with navy. — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The standard black with a white wall.  Sometimes I have them mounted so they are all black with the whitewall on the inside. This reminds me!  The other week I bought two slightly used tires for the van (Michelin brand).  List price is over $200 each!  I paid $10 each. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? The standard black with a white wall.  Sometimes I have them mounted so they are all black with the whitewall on the inside. This reminds me!  The other week I bought two slightly used tires for the van (Michelin brand).  List price is over $200 each!  I paid $10 each. Tono

Oooooh!  I thought you were just stuttering!  Color combo’s?  Jeans are blue, other colors don’t count as jeans.  Occasionally if I’m feeling very good I’ll bring out the tie dye shirts, then anything goes.   I’m normally too uncomfortable to wear my tie dye shirts.  I’m afraid of standing out, especially down here in TN.  It’s so uncommon that I have made a habit of telling others that their tie dye is nice.  So far in 14 months, I told 2 people. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Pretend you’re a girl for a day  ;) Chip

If that is the case then… how about pink and yellow with a lot of white lacey stuff? : ) Jim — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~   ~~ John Wooden

I don’t have any.  I tend to avoid black.. because anything black usually fades and looks terrible after a few washings.  Same thing for white.  I go more for what looks good in my size, color’s not that big a deal for me. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~  ~~ John Wooden

Black, dark gray, or medium to dark brown for pants and skirts. Red (blue-red only), burgundy, dark green, black, plum, dark gray, dark brown, dark blue for shirts. I primarily wear dark colors, and blue-red is my favorite shirt color.  Dark colors blend well with the desert light and heat….NOT! Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Black and black and also partial to navy blue… smiles, Elise

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2/03/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What are your favourite colour combinations for attire? Jackie ~*~Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do~*~   ~~ John Wooden —

Black on black…. Jess who usually appears to be in mourning — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What are your favourite colour combinations for attire?

I take it this is a girls-only question? Jim — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What I call the "peacock colors" — teal, emerald, aquamarine, royal purple, midnight blue. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Black and purple. Caz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, JimD, Basically no questions are gender only (maybe a few exceptions).  We always enjoy everyone’s response to the question of the day (QOTD). smiles, Elise

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In article <4349b757$0$48283$c30e3…@ken-reader.news.telstra.net>, ch…@cyberone.com.au says… > I am also under the impression that most people in general are selfish and > inconsiderate.

I 2nd that. > Men and women.

I 3rd that. > I’m burnt.

I 4th that =/ — ———————————————- Steve "Chris" Price Assistant Professor of Computational Aesthetics. Amish Chair of Electrical Engineering. University of Ediacara "A fine tradition since 530,000,000 BC"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -gargoyl wrote: > Hi again, > On  8-Oct-2005, "nonessential" <dawdler_tw…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think you hit on the core of the problem.  At least, I know I would > > be extremely grateful if a man took a serious interest in me.  I don’t > > care about looks or income – the main thing is if they have a good > > heart and are honest.  But, they may not be seeing things from the same > > angle.  They may see a woman who looks fine but is unable to carry on a > > conversation (I have often caused a double take with the discrepancy > > due to my apparent online intellect. But when they meet me.. ) > You’ve got an interesting take on men… I’ve dated women who were into > ‘material’ goods, as well as women who didn’t really care about those > things. Personally, I prefer the non-material women. Giving gifts to one who > ‘expects’ them takes a lot of the fun out of a relationship. > I’m curious as to your claim that you cannot carry on a conversation… my > ex often had problems talking in groups, including around her family, as > well as most of our friends. She developed a stutter at times, and had > difficulty holding a direction to her conversation – it was like she > suddenly became ’stupid’ or developmentally challenged. It was kind of weird > at times, particularly as she could generally speak with reasonable > eloquence when we were in private.

I get very nervous. I have some short term memory loss so often have ‘tip of the tongue’ syndrome. People have often remarked that I seem very nervous when talking to them. With people I know well, I gradually become more at ease. I do definitely give the impression of being developmentally challenged. > On of my dearest college friends had a similar problem. In his case, he was > so terribly shy that he simply could not talk around folks he did not know > well. In familiar company he was again fine. Add some strangers, male or > female, and it was game over verbally and socially for him.

I often feel the same way. As a result, I’m often silent and thought, hey it would be ok if no talking was required. Often I’m at a total loss for words (due to slow processing speed). Although, I can communicate quite well in writing and have often wondered whether assisted technology could work in these situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I think the gratitude issue needs to be remembered almost on a daily > > basis.  One has to have the thought, "I may be settling, but heck, this > > person really likes me and they share some core values". *Both* parties > > would have to have this awareness, I think – maybe the divorce rates > > would drop! > I have to agree with you here. In many ways I ’settled’ for my now ex. Her > many psych problems made it an almost daily chore just keeping her going. > There were periods of months or more in which I worried daily that she might > do something unwise (running off again, suicide…) whilst I was at work. > Add to that a truly ungrateful nature and the relationship was challenging > for me. But I chose to love her, unconditionally, and in doing so, managed > to keep us going for five years. Heck, by the end, she had kept a job for > the longest time in her life, was in school, doing better than she ever had. > Pity she never gave me any credit for my love, care and patience in helping > her reach those goals.

There must be something about her that you do/did love. Perhaps there are qualities that are unique to her that you miss. Five years is a long time to build up a history with someone. It is not easy to just forget about a relationship like that. I had a male friend who once told me about an ex who, in retrospect, sounds quite similar to yours. He said that she treated him badly, but he was also a loner at heart and he discovered that her not needing him in a way provided him the space that he needed. > I realized some time ago that the ‘one true love’ thing was romanticized > crap. We all pretty much have to compromise for success in a relationship. > And realistically, most of us can be compatible with one another given the > chance, and more importantly a willingness to make the effort. I think that > distinguishes us today from our illustrious ancestors. In the ‘old days’ > folks made their marriages work. Now, its easy to just give up, run off, and > find someone else to screw up with. > Boy do I sound bitter here or what – apologies.

No need to apologize. When you have been hurt, it is only natural to feel bitter in some ways.

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Joe Canuck wrote: > Michaela wrote: > > nonessential wrote: > >>If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get > >> rejected. My experience, anyway.  YMMV. > > If you are a man, do not show too much interest or you will > > be pushed away. > Something to do with allowing the situation to percolate. Some people > become overwhelmed and tend to seriously back off when confronted with > an overwhelming display of interest.

Hm. That may be true. Well, I am very consistent and reliable so I suppose it could be construed as such (iow, I’m pretty prompt with returning calls and I don’t leave them hanging, so to speak).

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I am also under the impression that most people in general are selfish and inconsiderate. Men and women. I’m burnt. — Cheers Charmayne "nonessential" <dawdler_tw…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1128897636.049973.130200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gargoyl wrote: >> Hi again, >> On  8-Oct-2005, "nonessential" <dawdler_tw…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > I think you hit on the core of the problem.  At least, I know I would >> > be extremely grateful if a man took a serious interest in me.  I don’t >> > care about looks or income – the main thing is if they have a good >> > heart and are honest.  But, they may not be seeing things from the same >> > angle.  They may see a woman who looks fine but is unable to carry on a >> > conversation (I have often caused a double take with the discrepancy >> > due to my apparent online intellect. But when they meet me.. ) >> You’ve got an interesting take on men… I’ve dated women who were into >> ‘material’ goods, as well as women who didn’t really care about those >> things. Personally, I prefer the non-material women. Giving gifts to one >> who >> ‘expects’ them takes a lot of the fun out of a relationship. >> I’m curious as to your claim that you cannot carry on a conversation… >> my >> ex often had problems talking in groups, including around her family, as >> well as most of our friends. She developed a stutter at times, and had >> difficulty holding a direction to her conversation – it was like she >> suddenly became ’stupid’ or developmentally challenged. It was kind of >> weird >> at times, particularly as she could generally speak with reasonable >> eloquence when we were in private. > I get very nervous. I have some short term memory loss so often have > ‘tip of the tongue’ syndrome. People have often remarked that I seem > very nervous when talking to them. With people I know well, I gradually > become more at ease. I do definitely give the impression of being > developmentally challenged. >> On of my dearest college friends had a similar problem. In his case, he >> was >> so terribly shy that he simply could not talk around folks he did not >> know >> well. In familiar company he was again fine. Add some strangers, male or >> female, and it was game over verbally and socially for him. > I often feel the same way. As a result, I’m often silent and thought, > hey it would be ok if no talking was required. Often I’m at a total > loss for words (due to slow processing speed). Although, I can > communicate quite well in writing and have often wondered whether > assisted technology could work in these situations. >> > I think the gratitude issue needs to be remembered almost on a daily >> > basis.  One has to have the thought, "I may be settling, but heck, this >> > person really likes me and they share some core values". *Both* parties >> > would have to have this awareness, I think – maybe the divorce rates >> > would drop! >> I have to agree with you here. In many ways I ’settled’ for my now ex. >> Her >> many psych problems made it an almost daily chore just keeping her going. >> There were periods of months or more in which I worried daily that she >> might >> do something unwise (running off again, suicide…) whilst I was at work. >> Add to that a truly ungrateful nature and the relationship was >> challenging >> for me. But I chose to love her, unconditionally, and in doing so, >> managed >> to keep us going for five years. Heck, by the end, she had kept a job for >> the longest time in her life, was in school, doing better than she ever >> had. >> Pity she never gave me any credit for my love, care and patience in >> helping >> her reach those goals. > There must be something about her that you do/did love. Perhaps there > are qualities that are unique to her that you miss. Five years is a > long time to build up a history with someone. It is not easy to just > forget about a relationship like that. I had a male friend who once > told me about an ex who, in retrospect, sounds quite similar to yours. > He said that she treated him badly, but he was also a loner at heart > and he discovered that her not needing him in a way provided him the > space that he needed. >> I realized some time ago that the ‘one true love’ thing was romanticized >> crap. We all pretty much have to compromise for success in a >> relationship. >> And realistically, most of us can be compatible with one another given >> the >> chance, and more importantly a willingness to make the effort. I think >> that >> distinguishes us today from our illustrious ancestors. In the ‘old days’ >> folks made their marriages work. Now, its easy to just give up, run off, >> and >> find someone else to screw up with. >> Boy do I sound bitter here or what – apologies. > No need to apologize. When you have been hurt, it is only natural to > feel bitter in some ways.

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gargoyl wrote: > I hate to admit it, but at least when I was younger, I did prefer to > ‘hunt’ women who did not indicate interest in me, over women whom I > knew were interested. Might be one reason why I’ve had so many lousy > relationships. > Looking back there were a lot of great women interested in me, and I > blew them off in favor of losers. Truly stupid of me. > I hope that I’ve outgrown that lame and idiotic approach over the last > decade. > -phred > ‘

If we really want happiness methinks we gotta eventually give in/realise that Mr/s Right isn’t coming maybe-tomorrow and learn to compromise and work at it. – Michaela — Swami Wotsisname on desire (paraphrased): there’s no taste before the tongue; there’s no taste after the tongue.

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nonessential wrote: > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get >  rejected. My experience, anyway.  YMMV.

If you are a man, do not show too much interest or you will be pushed away. Works both ways iyam. Being a human being seems to have a lot to do with being ungrateful. But we already knew that… – Michaela — Swami Wotsisname on desire (paraphrased) there’s no taste before the tongue, there’s no taste after the tongue.

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paneon wrote: >> nonessential wrote: >>> If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get >>>  rejected. My experience, anyway.  YMMV. >> I’ve lived that a bunch of times! They always want the ones they >> can’t get. > Yeah – we want the ones we can’t have – and we’re too stupid to > realise that the one’s we can’t have – we actually can. (dammit) > (-paneon)

Nice. – Michaela — Swami Wotsisname on desire (paraphrased): there’s no taste before the tongue; there’s no taste after the tongue.

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Michaela wrote: > nonessential wrote: >>If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get >> rejected. My experience, anyway.  YMMV. > If you are a man, do not show too much interest or you will > be pushed away.

Something to do with allowing the situation to percolate. Some people become overwhelmed and tend to seriously back off when confronted with an overwhelming display of interest.

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paneon wrote: > > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected. > >  My experience, anyway.  YMMV. > I don’t know – I’d fairly liberal, but I still find the whole female > attraction thing very creepy when some desire gets dumped on my doorstep. I > guess us men are psychologically hard-wired to find sexualised women > threatening. Or maybe I just think any women that finds me attractive has to > be insane.

But I have dated men I haven’t had any physical attraction to (sexual attraction is very low on my list, as strange is this may sound) and have sensed they have still found it threatening.  I wonder why that would be?

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Michaela wrote: > gargoyl wrote: > > I can assure you that there are men who will find you desirable in > > whatever condition you are in. > I’m sure there are. But she probably doesn’t want them.

As incredible as this may sound, I have not had any luck since a head injury in 2002.  The problem seems not to be my appearance but an emotional vibe I must be giving off that turns off initially interested men. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You claim a scary personality, but from reading your posts, I find you > > significantly more ‘normal’ than the average person I tend to date. > > Of course, I suffer from the ‘knight in shining armor’ complex, so > > tend to date ladies with life challenges. > > I also think that some guys > opinion inserted: sometimes > like ‘needy’ as it gives them a chance to > > feel heroic in a society in which male role models are all heroes (or > > villains), something the average guy can never live up to. > > -phred > There’s an art to knowing when it’s ‘ok’ to be needy and when > it isn’t. It’s like anything else: too much of a good thing isn’t > good.

Agreed.  I’m trying to work on why I come across as needy.  I do make people uncomfortable, and they feel like they have to please me.  It must be in my body language.  Because I’m like, "no you don’t have to do that", and they’re like, "I thought you wanted.."

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Michaela wrote: > nonessential wrote: > > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get > >  rejected. My experience, anyway.  YMMV. > If you are a man, do not show too much interest or you will > be pushed away. > Works both ways iyam. > Being a human being seems to have a lot to do with being ungrateful. > But we already knew that…

I think you hit on the core of the problem.  At least, I know I would be extremely grateful if a man took a serious interest in me.  I don’t care about looks or income – the main thing is if they have a good heart and are honest.  But, they may not be seeing things from the same angle.  They may see a woman who looks fine but is unable to carry on a conversation (I have often caused a double take with the discrepancy due to my apparent online intellect. But when they meet me.. ) I think the gratitude issue needs to be remembered almost on a daily basis.  One has to have the thought, "I may be settling, but heck, this person really likes me and they share some core values". *Both* parties would have to have this awareness, I think – maybe the divorce rates would drop!

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I think a problem that may happen too is ‘reading’ rejection prematurely.  But if you want to communicate that you like another person, how do you do that without appearing needy?  And if you don’t do anything, they may not think you like them.

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Hi again, On  8-Oct-2005, "nonessential" <dawdler_tw…@yahoo.com> wrote: > I think you hit on the core of the problem.  At least, I know I would > be extremely grateful if a man took a serious interest in me.  I don’t > care about looks or income – the main thing is if they have a good > heart and are honest.  But, they may not be seeing things from the same > angle.  They may see a woman who looks fine but is unable to carry on a > conversation (I have often caused a double take with the discrepancy > due to my apparent online intellect. But when they meet me.. )

You’ve got an interesting take on men… I’ve dated women who were into ‘material’ goods, as well as women who didn’t really care about those things. Personally, I prefer the non-material women. Giving gifts to one who ‘expects’ them takes a lot of the fun out of a relationship. I’m curious as to your claim that you cannot carry on a conversation… my ex often had problems talking in groups, including around her family, as well as most of our friends. She developed a stutter at times, and had difficulty holding a direction to her conversation – it was like she suddenly became ’stupid’ or developmentally challenged. It was kind of weird at times, particularly as she could generally speak with reasonable eloquence when we were in private. On of my dearest college friends had a similar problem. In his case, he was so terribly shy that he simply could not talk around folks he did not know well. In familiar company he was again fine. Add some strangers, male or female, and it was game over verbally and socially for him. > I think the gratitude issue needs to be remembered almost on a daily > basis.  One has to have the thought, "I may be settling, but heck, this > person really likes me and they share some core values". *Both* parties > would have to have this awareness, I think – maybe the divorce rates > would drop!

I have to agree with you here. In many ways I ’settled’ for my now ex. Her many psych problems made it an almost daily chore just keeping her going. There were periods of months or more in which I worried daily that she might do something unwise (running off again, suicide…) whilst I was at work. Add to that a truly ungrateful nature and the relationship was challenging for me. But I chose to love her, unconditionally, and in doing so, managed to keep us going for five years. Heck, by the end, she had kept a job for the longest time in her life, was in school, doing better than she ever had. Pity she never gave me any credit for my love, care and patience in helping her reach those goals. I realized some time ago that the ‘one true love’ thing was romanticized crap. We all pretty much have to compromise for success in a relationship. And realistically, most of us can be compatible with one another given the chance, and more importantly a willingness to make the effort. I think that distinguishes us today from our illustrious ancestors. In the ‘old days’ folks made their marriages work. Now, its easy to just give up, run off, and find someone else to screw up with. Boy do I sound bitter here or what – apologies. -phred

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> nonessential wrote: > > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected. > >  My experience, anyway.  YMMV. > I’ve lived that a bunch of times! They always want the ones they can’t > get.

Yeah – we want the ones we can’t have – and we’re too stupid to realise that the one’s we can’t have – we actually can. (dammit) (-paneon) .

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> If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected. >  My experience, anyway.  YMMV.

I don’t know – I’d fairly liberal, but I still find the whole female attraction thing very creepy when some desire gets dumped on my doorstep. I guess us men are psychologically hard-wired to find sexualised women threatening. Or maybe I just think any women that finds me attractive has to be insane. (-paneon)

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"nonessential" <dawdler_tw…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1128650426.047329.189450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected. >  My experience, anyway.  YMMV.

My experience is that women either show no interest, or they do it in such a subtle fashion that it’s only days later I might think, "Gee, was she actually trying to strike up a conversation with me, or just making chit chat out of boredom." And so on. People who are more manipulative, of course, will be more likely to pick up signals, but they aren’t the kind you’ll find posting here.   I guess I’m saying don’t expect men to be telepathic. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.   "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40- member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2- 05)

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"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:FcF1f.8043$zQ3.285 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: > Looking back there were a lot of great women interested in me, and I blew > them off in favor of losers.

Most people don’t seem to have this problem. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.  "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2-05)

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gargoyl wrote: > I can assure you that there are men who will find you desirable in > whatever condition you are in.

I’m sure there are. But she probably doesn’t want them. > You claim a scary personality, but from reading your posts, I find you > significantly more ‘normal’ than the average person I tend to date. > Of course, I suffer from the ‘knight in shining armor’ complex, so > tend to date ladies with life challenges. > I also think that some guys

opinion inserted: sometimes like ‘needy’ as it gives them a chance to > feel heroic in a society in which male role models are all heroes (or > villains), something the average guy can never live up to. > -phred

There’s an art to knowing when it’s ‘ok’ to be needy and when it isn’t. It’s like anything else: too much of a good thing isn’t good. – Michaela — Swami Wotsisname on desire (paraphrased): there’s no taste before the tongue, there’s no taste after the tongue.

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If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected.  My experience, anyway.  YMMV.

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nonessential wrote: > If you are a woman, do not show any interest, or you will get rejected. >  My experience, anyway.  YMMV.

I’ve lived that a bunch of times! They always want the ones they can’t get.

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I hate to admit it, but at least when I was younger, I did prefer to ‘hunt’ women who did not indicate interest in me, over women whom I knew were interested. Might be one reason why I’ve had so many lousy relationships. Looking back there were a lot of great women interested in me, and I blew them off in favor of losers. Truly stupid of me. I hope that I’ve outgrown that lame and idiotic approach over the last decade. -phred ‘

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gargoyl wrote: > I hate to admit it, but at least when I was younger, I did prefer to ‘hunt’ > women who did not indicate interest in me, over women whom I knew were > interested. Might be one reason why I’ve had so many lousy relationships. > Looking back there were a lot of great women interested in me, and I blew > them off in favor of losers. Truly stupid of me. > I hope that I’ve outgrown that lame and idiotic approach over the last > decade. > -phred > ‘

Yeah, I’m afraid there’s a few guys that do that… You guys like to hunt. I hate the chase. I tend to wear my feelings on my sleeve, so I get looked over a bunch.

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I wonder how much of it is a maturity thing for men, and how much relates to success with women. When I was younger I was very popular, generally had multiple women pursuing me at any one time, and maybe as a result I choose the challenging women over the ones who seemed ‘easy’ catches. The sad thing for me is that amongst those ‘easy’ catches are the women I look back on as would be spouses. I really blew it, and have a lot of regrets in my choices now that I’ve grown up a bit (as much as a man can grow up I suppose). I look back on some of those women and really wish I’d picked them over the one’s I pursued. There are a handful that I could have happily married, and would still be married to today. But I made the wrong decisions. I picked women who liked to play games instead of being upfront about what they wanted, and the end result was that we both got what we desired and deserved – lame relationships full of mixed messages and passive-agressive communications, that ended in failed relationships. I spend way to much of my time lately lamenting my choices, and hoping that I can find a woman who is open and honest, as you put it, who wears her heart on her sleeve. Heck, I do the same thing nowadays… have for years really. -phred

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I wear my heart on my sleeve, but it does tend to scare people because it comes across as ‘needy’ (just a guess).  Due to compromised brain function I overdo a lot of things.  I’m still trying to learn how to improve in this area, or if it is better just to let all hang out. I’m hoping I can find a man who isn’t afraid of this.  I would be amazed if someone found me desirable in the condition I’m in.  I REALLY have a scary personality. : )

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I can assure you that there are men who will find you desirable in whatever condition you are in. You claim a scary personality, but from reading your posts, I find you significantly more ‘normal’ than the average person I tend to date. Of course, I suffer from the ‘knight in shining armor’ complex, so tend to date ladies with life challenges. I also think that some guys like ‘needy’ as it gives them a chance to feel heroic in a society in which male role models are all heroes (or villains), something the average guy can never live up to. -phred

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rainier wrote: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often boring > ordeal? > Consider your typical dating activities: > The Drive: Let’s start with the beginning. Do you turn up the car stereo > in order to preclude idle chit-chat or do you keep the music low in order > to enable conversation? If you decide to play music, do you ask her which > station she likes–and risk sounding like an eager to please, henpecked > nice guy? Or do you act like a bad boy and play whatever obscure CD suits > your fancy, f___ her? > Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t stressful > enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the same time. > Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too effusive > in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by Hollywood but if you’re > openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster pap you will seem like a snob. > Do you whisper witty remarks during the movie or do you focus squarely on > the screen?  Do you put your arm around her or do you keep your hands to > yourself? Finally, how do you critique the movie itself? If you give > neutral answers, it will seem like you’re waiting for her to state her > opinion first so you can contour your own views to suit hers. But if you > jump too quickly, you run the risk of either sounding like a plebian or an > elitist. > Concerts: Unfortunately the only acts that come to my town are country > ones. Meanwhile all our bar bands play the same cliched mix of classic > rock interspersed with alternative. If I hear "Sweet Home Alabama" one > more time . . . So essentially music is out. > Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to watch > inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no rhtyhmn so > dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a barroom > conversation over loud music is lost on me. > Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, > volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing > myself. > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she > trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am I > doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the > cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional worry > in my head. > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women and > getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those shallow > pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the date itself. > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? > And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I go > out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette. > -rainier

I hate dating. It’s awful and stressful. — Operated by a naked and petrified Natalie Portman with hot grits stuffed down her panties. (-August Pamplona, 2005) —— http://sinmonkey.com/assgallery/

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"Mmm Snacks" <T…@T.com> wrote in news:di5bjk$e3u$0@pita.alt.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo wrote: >> "Mmm Snacks" <T…@T.com> wrote in news:di4caa$b4l$0@pita.alt.net: >> > Lash Rambo wrote: >> >> "Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >> >> >> > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and >> often >> > boring ordeal? >> >> > Consider your typical dating activities: >> >> > The Drive: >> >> Play the radio.  If a conversation erupts, turn the radio off.  No >> >> one has ever liked the music I listen to, so I don’t even bother >> with >> CDs. >> >> > Dinner: >> >> Bring something to write on.  If conversation is non-trivial, >> drawing >> pictures can help convey your thoughts.  If conversation >> runs try, >> you can play tic-tac-toe and hangman. >> >> > Movies: >> >> Discuss plot elements that confused you, novelties, etc. >> Discussions >> are two-way.  If you’re giving a critique, you’re >> giving a monologue >> (one- way).  If she wants Ebert, she can watch >> him on TV.  >> >> >> > Concerts: >> >> I’ve gone to one rock concert.  Seems it’d be a terrible place for >> a >> date.  Maybe a symphony would be better. >> >> > Bars: >> >> > Sports: >> >> Suck. >> >> > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I >> good >> > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long >> enough? Is >> > she trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims >> I’m good in >> > bed? Am I doing (insert sexual activity here) that >> right? Instead >> > of being the cherry on top of a wonderful >> evening, sex is simply >> > one additional worry in my head. >> >> I think these are pretty natural concerns for anyone with a hint of >> >> self- awareness.  Look for mismatches between what she says and how >> >> she acts, and bring them up when they happen (when appropriate). >> >> > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live >> >> > women and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But >> >> > those shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel >> >> > during the date itself. >> >> > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? >> >> Me and my wife didn’t "date" for long before becoming virtual >> >> live-ins.  Dating is kind of like a job interview.  You’re feeling >> >> each other out to see if you want to have anything to do with each >> >> other.  I guess a lot of people also date for fun, but we couldn’t >> be >> bothered. >> > lol can’t believe someone else said that! it doesn’t say much if >> > your entire relationship consists of dates. >> Agreed. >> > you mean virtual live-in where you two would just stay home and do >> > stuff? >> Pretty much.  She was at my house* when not working, and went home to >> sleep. > It is like that when I am there. It is funny how quickly we just settle > into a day to day routine. Hard to describe. I think the first time it > took a couple weeks to get settled in but then it was like we had been > together forever. Then the second time we just get the place set up how > we like it and pick up where we left off like we hadn’t been apart. > He’ll go off and do his work stuff and come home and we discuss what to > have for dinner and stuff. Very mundane stuff but it seems like we both > enjoy it a lot.

That’s how I like it, though.  :) >> * parent’s house, actually, which makes it a little weird, especially >> since this went on for three or four years! > haha guess  your parents didn’t mind too much. Tell me you both don’t > live with your parents?

I hadn’t moved out, but she had.  However, her mom moved back into town for two or three years, and they shared an apartment for some of it. > So how long have you been married? Got any > kids?

Almost two and a half years.  We’re planning to have kids within the next year or so.  I figure we’ll conceive the first day we try, but she seems a lot more worried about our chances. >> > so youins live in can’s ass? >> Yup. > trying to think if I’ve been there. Nope, don’t think so.

People don’t seem to have much good to say about the place, besides that the housing is really cheap in Wichita.  :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "Mmm Snacks" <T…@T.com> wrote in news:di4caa$b4l$0@pita.alt.net: > > Lash Rambo wrote: > >> "Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > >> >> > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and > often >> > boring ordeal? > >> > Consider your typical dating activities: > >> > The Drive: > >> Play the radio.  If a conversation erupts, turn the radio off.  No > >> one has ever liked the music I listen to, so I don’t even bother > with >> CDs. > >> > Dinner: > >> Bring something to write on.  If conversation is non-trivial, > drawing >> pictures can help convey your thoughts.  If conversation > runs try, >> you can play tic-tac-toe and hangman. > >> > Movies: > >> Discuss plot elements that confused you, novelties, etc. > Discussions >> are two-way.  If you’re giving a critique, you’re > giving a monologue >> (one- way).  If she wants Ebert, she can watch > him on TV.  >> > >> > Concerts: > >> I’ve gone to one rock concert.  Seems it’d be a terrible place for > a >> date.  Maybe a symphony would be better. > >> > Bars: > >> > Sports: > >> Suck. > >> > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I > good >> > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long > enough? Is >> > she trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims > I’m good in >> > bed? Am I doing (insert sexual activity here) that > right? Instead >> > of being the cherry on top of a wonderful > evening, sex is simply >> > one additional worry in my head. > >> I think these are pretty natural concerns for anyone with a hint of > >> self- awareness.  Look for mismatches between what she says and how > >> she acts, and bring them up when they happen (when appropriate). > >> > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live > >> > women and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But > >> > those shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel > >> > during the date itself. > >> > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? > >> Me and my wife didn’t "date" for long before becoming virtual > >> live-ins.  Dating is kind of like a job interview.  You’re feeling > >> each other out to see if you want to have anything to do with each > >> other.  I guess a lot of people also date for fun, but we couldn’t > be >> bothered. > > lol can’t believe someone else said that! it doesn’t say much if > > your entire relationship consists of dates. > Agreed. > > you mean virtual live-in where you two would just stay home and do > > stuff? > Pretty much.  She was at my house* when not working, and went home to > sleep.

It is like that when I am there. It is funny how quickly we just settle into a day to day routine. Hard to describe. I think the first time it took a couple weeks to get settled in but then it was like we had been together forever. Then the second time we just get the place set up how we like it and pick up where we left off like we hadn’t been apart. He’ll go off and do his work stuff and come home and we discuss what to have for dinner and stuff. Very mundane stuff but it seems like we both enjoy it a lot. > * parent’s house, actually, which makes it a little weird, especially > since this went on for three or four years!

haha guess  your parents didn’t mind too much. Tell me you both don’t live with your parents? So how long have you been married? Got any kids? > > so youins live in can’s ass? > Yup.

trying to think if I’ve been there. Nope, don’t think so. —

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William P <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:Xns96E7DFF803622willdotpsympaticodot@207.35.177.134: > August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3qldd4FffjopU1 > @individual.net: >>> It’s more relaxing if you have time to plan out clever, manipulative >>> strategies.  For example, try making up a fake life on Usenet some >>> time. >>          Rainier is real… well, sort of. > I’m guessing the amount of reality in Rainier posts is about the same > as my percentage of bodyfat.

You have the Bruce Lee look, too?  :D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> It’s a real rush.  It’s so good it will make you forget about women.

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"Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3e972e52919c4c0e0e01b21114548c5c@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > William P wrote: >> For example, try making up a fake life on      > Usenet some time. It’s > a real rush.  It’s so   > good it will make you forget about women. > Fake life? I have pictures of me with my girlfriend: > http://www.angelfire.com/film/rainier/girlfriend/ > Granted I don’t have any with my skinny chick on the side yet, but cut me > a little slack. It’s only been two weeks.

Hey man, don’t let me bother you, you have a funny shtick going on here.

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"Mmm Snacks" <T…@T.com> wrote in news:di4caa$b4l$0@pita.alt.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo wrote: >> "Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >> > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often >> > boring ordeal? >> > Consider your typical dating activities: >> > The Drive: >> Play the radio.  If a conversation erupts, turn the radio off.  No >> one has ever liked the music I listen to, so I don’t even bother with >> CDs. >> > Dinner: >> Bring something to write on.  If conversation is non-trivial, drawing >> pictures can help convey your thoughts.  If conversation runs try, >> you can play tic-tac-toe and hangman. >> > Movies: >> Discuss plot elements that confused you, novelties, etc.  Discussions >> are two-way.  If you’re giving a critique, you’re giving a monologue >> (one- way).  If she wants Ebert, she can watch him on TV. >> > Concerts: >> I’ve gone to one rock concert.  Seems it’d be a terrible place for a >> date.  Maybe a symphony would be better. >> > Bars: >> > Sports: >> Suck. >> > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good >> > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is >> > she trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in >> > bed? Am I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead >> > of being the cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply >> > one additional worry in my head. >> I think these are pretty natural concerns for anyone with a hint of >> self- awareness.  Look for mismatches between what she says and how >> she acts, and bring them up when they happen (when appropriate). >> > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live >> > women and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But >> > those shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel >> > during the date itself. >> > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? >> Me and my wife didn’t "date" for long before becoming virtual >> live-ins.  Dating is kind of like a job interview.  You’re feeling >> each other out to see if you want to have anything to do with each >> other.  I guess a lot of people also date for fun, but we couldn’t be >> bothered. > lol can’t believe someone else said that! it doesn’t say much if your > entire relationship consists of dates.

Agreed. > you mean virtual live-in where you two would just stay home and do > stuff?

Pretty much.  She was at my house* when not working, and went home to sleep. * parent’s house, actually, which makes it a little weird, especially since this went on for three or four years! > so youins live in can’s ass?

Yup.

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August Pamplona <cosmic…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3qldd4FffjopU1 @individual.net: >> It’s more relaxing if you have time to plan out clever, manipulative >> strategies.  For example, try making up a fake life on Usenet some time. >          Rainier is real… well, sort of.

I’m guessing the amount of reality in Rainier posts is about the same as my percentage of bodyfat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> It’s a real rush.  It’s so good it will make you forget about women.

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>Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often boring >ordeal?

Taxing, yes.  Boring, well, it depends on the girl. >The Drive:

I play whatever CD I like (it’s my car, after all), but I turn it down low enough so that we can talk easily. >Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t stressful >enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the same time.

First date conversation sucks ass, especially if you barely know the other person. >Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too effusive >in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by Hollywood but if you’re >openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster pap you will seem like a snob.

If a film looks lame I may roll my eyes at her or something. >Do you whisper witty remarks during the movie or do you focus squarely on >the screen?

I focus on the movie.  I hate it when people try to talk to you while you’re watching the film. >Do you put your arm around her or do you keep your hands to yourself?

I don’t put my arm around her (at least, not during the first date).  I may hold her hand if it’s well received. >Finally, how do you critique the movie itself? If you give >neutral answers, it will seem like you’re waiting for her to state her >opinion first so you can contour your own views to suit hers. But if you >jump too quickly, you run the risk of either sounding like a plebian or an >elitist.

I tell her what I think of the movie.  I don’t give a crap if she has a differing opinion.  I have a wonky taste in film so she usually does. >Concerts: Unfortunately the only acts that come to my town are country >ones. Meanwhile all our bar bands play the same cliched mix of classic >rock interspersed with alternative. If I hear "Sweet Home Alabama" one >more time . . . So essentially music is out.

I go to concerts, but it’s not very good atmosphere for the first couple of dates.  Usually you’ll want to talk. >Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to watch >inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no rhtyhmn so >dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a barroom >conversation over loud music is lost on me.

I also suck at darts and pool.  Sometimes I’ll play pool anyway… I don’t really care if I’m lousy and neither do most people.  I just don’t put money on it.  I only sing karaoke when I’m extremely drunk. >Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, >volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing >myself.

Yeah, I am also lousy at sports so I avoid them. >Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good >kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she >trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am I >doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the >cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional worry >in my head.

I used to have terrible anxiety issues like this, but it’s gradually gotten better.  You’ve just got to focus on yourself, selfish as it may seem. >So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it?

Absolutely, if you discover the right girl as a result. >And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I go >out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette.

Firstly… <deep breath> STOP BEING SO DESPERATE FOR ACCEPTANCE!! Dating is not about molding yourself into whatever the girl wants, it’s a screening process for finding the girl who is right for you. Now that that’s out of the way… People say that active dates leave a stronger impression than traditional passive ones.   You could go bike riding together, since you seem to enjoy that.  I think you mentioned once that you enjoy bowling, didn’t you?  You could go to some sort of class or lesson together.  Like a cooking class or a rifle range or something.

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Catherine wrote: > I take the weeney approach once again.  I      > say "sooooo, what’d you

think?"   I personally use the excuse approach. For instance, on my first date with skinny girl we saw "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage. In order to retain some sense of masculinity, I spoke first after the movie: "I liked it. Of course I’m a history major who’s written several papers on illegal arms trading during the cold war so that makes me a little bias." Ends up she hated the movie but she cut me slack for liking it due to my status as a history major. So my masculine bravura/excuse approach worked to perfection. But it’s stressful having to think up such clever, manipulative strategies on the fly. -rainier

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"Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:de7a72fb0ec91df83a580dd206d71207@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Catherine wrote: >> I take the weeney approach once again.  I      > say "sooooo, what’d >> you > think?"   > I personally use the excuse approach. For instance, on my first date > with skinny girl we saw "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage. In order to > retain some sense of masculinity, I spoke first after the movie: > "I liked it. Of course I’m a history major who’s written several > papers on illegal arms trading during the cold war so that makes me a > little bias." > Ends up she hated the movie but she cut me slack for liking it due to > my status as a history major. So my masculine bravura/excuse approach > worked to perfection. But it’s stressful having to think up such > clever, manipulative strategies on the fly.

It’s more relaxing if you have time to plan out clever, manipulative strategies.  For example, try making up a fake life on Usenet some time.   It’s a real rush.  It’s so good it will make you forget about women.

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William P wrote: > For example, try making up a fake life on      > Usenet some time. It’s

a real rush.  It’s so   > good it will make you forget about women. Fake life? I have pictures of me with my girlfriend: http://www.angelfire.com/film/rainier/girlfriend/ Granted I don’t have any with my skinny chick on the side yet, but cut me a little slack. It’s only been two weeks. -rainier

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William P wrote: > "Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:de7a72fb0ec91df83a580dd206d71207@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >>Catherine wrote: >>>I take the weeney approach once again.  I      > say "sooooo, what’d >>>you >>think?"   >>I personally use the excuse approach. For instance, on my first date >>with skinny girl we saw "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage. In order to >>retain some sense of masculinity, I spoke first after the movie: >>"I liked it. Of course I’m a history major who’s written several >>papers on illegal arms trading during the cold war so that makes me a >>little bias." >>Ends up she hated the movie but she cut me slack for liking it due to >>my status as a history major. So my masculine bravura/excuse approach >>worked to perfection. But it’s stressful having to think up such >>clever, manipulative strategies on the fly. > It’s more relaxing if you have time to plan out clever, manipulative > strategies.  For example, try making up a fake life on Usenet some time.

         Rainier is real… well, sort of. > It’s a real rush.  It’s so good it will make you forget about women.

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Rainier wrote: > Lisa wrote: >>Wow – she’s a beauty!  I saw you mention her >   but had no idea. > Are you being sarcastic?

No, why would I?  My comment was my first reaction when I saw the picture.  She’s a very attractive woman. >>Wait a minute… you are still with this woman > and dating skinny chick > on the side? > Yes, I am a shy playa. The big black woman is my girlfriend, the skinny > white chick is my meat on the side. > Author’s note: The skinny chick and I are still at the platonic level so > technically I am not cheating.

Huh.  Well, to each his own.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rainier wrote: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often > boring ordeal? > Consider your typical dating activities: > The Drive: Let’s start with the beginning. Do you turn up the car > stereo in order to preclude idle chit-chat or do you keep the music > low in order to enable conversation? If you decide to play music, do > you ask her which station she likes–and risk sounding like an eager > to please, henpecked nice guy? Or do you act like a bad boy and play > whatever obscure CD suits your fancy, f___ her? > Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t > stressful enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the > same time. > Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too > effusive in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by > Hollywood but if you’re openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster > pap you will seem like a snob.  Do you whisper witty remarks during > the movie or do you focus squarely on the screen?  Do you put your > arm around her or do you keep your hands to yourself? Finally, how do > you critique the movie itself? If you give neutral answers, it will > seem like you’re waiting for her to state her opinion first so you > can contour your own views to suit hers. But if you jump too quickly, > you run the risk of either sounding like a plebian or an elitist. > Concerts: Unfortunately the only acts that come to my town are country > ones. Meanwhile all our bar bands play the same cliched mix of classic > rock interspersed with alternative. If I hear "Sweet Home Alabama" one > more time . . . So essentially music is out. > Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to > watch inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no > rhtyhmn so dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a > barroom conversation over loud music is lost on me. > Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, > volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing > myself. > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she > trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am > I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the > cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional > worry in my head. > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women > and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those > shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the > date itself. > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? > And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I > go out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette. > -rainier

what is the point of going on dates? It is just entertainment and distraction from really getting to know someone. —

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"Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often > boring ordeal? > Consider your typical dating activities: > The Drive:

Play the radio.  If a conversation erupts, turn the radio off.  No one has ever liked the music I listen to, so I don’t even bother with CDs. > Dinner:

Bring something to write on.  If conversation is non-trivial, drawing pictures can help convey your thoughts.  If conversation runs try, you can play tic-tac-toe and hangman. > Movies:

Discuss plot elements that confused you, novelties, etc.  Discussions are two-way.  If you’re giving a critique, you’re giving a monologue (one- way).  If she wants Ebert, she can watch him on TV. > Concerts:

I’ve gone to one rock concert.  Seems it’d be a terrible place for a date.  Maybe a symphony would be better. > Bars: > Sports:

Suck. > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she > trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am > I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the > cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional > worry in my head.

I think these are pretty natural concerns for anyone with a hint of self- awareness.  Look for mismatches between what she says and how she acts, and bring them up when they happen (when appropriate). > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women > and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those > shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the > date itself. > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it?

Me and my wife didn’t "date" for long before becoming virtual live-ins.   Dating is kind of like a job interview.  You’re feeling each other out to see if you want to have anything to do with each other.  I guess a lot of people also date for fun, but we couldn’t be bothered.

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Rainier wrote: > William P wrote: >>For example, try making up a fake life on      > Usenet some time. It’s > a real rush.  It’s so   > good it will make you forget about women. > Fake life? I have pictures of me with my girlfriend: > http://www.angelfire.com/film/rainier/girlfriend/ > Granted I don’t have any with my skinny chick on the side yet, but cut me > a little slack. It’s only been two weeks.

Wow – she’s a beauty!  I saw you mention her but had no idea. Wait a minute… you are still with this woman and dating skinny chick on the side?  0_o

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Lisa wrote: > Wow – she’s a beauty!  I saw you mention her >   but had no idea.

Are you being sarcastic? > Wait a minute… you are still with this woman > and dating skinny chick

on the side? Yes, I am a shy playa. The big black woman is my girlfriend, the skinny white chick is my meat on the side. Author’s note: The skinny chick and I are still at the platonic level so technically I am not cheating.

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Rainier wrote: > William P wrote: >>For example, try making up a fake life on      > Usenet some time. It’s > a real rush.  It’s so   > good it will make you forget about women. > Fake life? I have pictures of me with my girlfriend: > http://www.angelfire.com/film/rainier/girlfriend/ > Granted I don’t have any with my skinny chick on the side yet, but cut me > a little slack. It’s only been two weeks.

Yeah, I can see you whipping out a camera on your next date and saying "Don’t worry, it’s common practice with me.  I like to document all my kills."  :D

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lash Rambo wrote: > "Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often > > boring ordeal? > > Consider your typical dating activities: > > The Drive: > Play the radio.  If a conversation erupts, turn the radio off.  No > one has ever liked the music I listen to, so I don’t even bother with > CDs. > > Dinner: > Bring something to write on.  If conversation is non-trivial, drawing > pictures can help convey your thoughts.  If conversation runs try, > you can play tic-tac-toe and hangman. > > Movies: > Discuss plot elements that confused you, novelties, etc.  Discussions > are two-way.  If you’re giving a critique, you’re giving a monologue > (one- way).  If she wants Ebert, she can watch him on TV. > > Concerts: > I’ve gone to one rock concert.  Seems it’d be a terrible place for a > date.  Maybe a symphony would be better. > > Bars: > > Sports: > Suck. > > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is > > she trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in > > bed? Am I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead > > of being the cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply > > one additional worry in my head. > I think these are pretty natural concerns for anyone with a hint of > self- awareness.  Look for mismatches between what she says and how > she acts, and bring them up when they happen (when appropriate). > > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live > > women and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But > > those shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel > > during the date itself. > > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? > Me and my wife didn’t "date" for long before becoming virtual > live-ins.  Dating is kind of like a job interview.  You’re feeling > each other out to see if you want to have anything to do with each > other.  I guess a lot of people also date for fun, but we couldn’t be > bothered.

lol can’t believe someone else said that! it doesn’t say much if your entire relationship consists of dates. you mean virtual live-in where you two would just stay home and do stuff? so youins live in can’s ass? —

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Rainier wrote: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often boring > ordeal?

         Perhaps I’ll try it sometime. [snip] August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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LisatheSequel wrote: > No, why would I?  My comment was my first      > reaction when I saw the > picture.  She’s a very attractive woman.

The reason I asked is because the readers of a.s.s. overwhelmingly find her unattractive. Click on View Current Results to see what I mean: http://www.misterpoll.com/996193976.html I assumed you were being sarcastic because your view runs so counter to the results garnered in my scientific survey. -rainier

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Rainier wrote: >>No, why would I?  My comment was my first      > reaction when I saw the >>picture.  She’s a very attractive woman. > The reason I asked is because the readers of a.s.s. overwhelmingly find > her unattractive. Click on View Current Results to see what I mean: > http://www.misterpoll.com/996193976.html > I assumed you were being sarcastic because your view runs so counter to > the results garnered in my scientific survey.

Hm.  I saw the poll.  I wouldn’t view those results as negative. Six out of twenty-nine people thought she rated at the higher end of the scale.  That’s more than a fifth. It was divided whether she would break up with you in the first six months or you’d marry and live happily ever after.  (although I, myself don’t give it more than a year if you begin dating skinny chick steadily)  Which is like saying if you make it through the first half year you’ll probably be together a good long time. Almost everyone believed you were telling the truth. That’s pretty good, imo. As for her looks, I myself am a big woman and she’s way better looking than I am.  She’s got great hair, a beautiful face, a buxom, sexy figure and a great smile.  Heavy or not, her whole look works and it’s obvious from the pictures (if this is the norm) she takes care of her appearance.

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"Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b0131536ffa122ac4b076c12d45b5018@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often > boring ordeal?

Taxing, yes.  I wouldn’t say boring though. > Consider your typical dating activities: > The Drive: Let’s start with the beginning. Do you turn up the car > stereo in order to preclude idle chit-chat or do you keep the music > low in order to enable conversation? If you decide to play music, do > you ask her which station she likes–and risk sounding like an eager > to please, henpecked nice guy? Or do you act like a bad boy and play > whatever obscure CD suits your fancy, f___ her?

I don’t usually play music with someone else in the car.  This is because when I play music I blast opera tunes and often sing along.  A woman threatened to call the cops on me in the parking lot once as I was driving in!  What the hell?  Now that’s what I call lacking a sense of cultural refinement.  I’d love to see that police report where she’s explaining that I’m disturbing the peace with Rigoletto arias. Why would you ask her what she likes?  Play what you want and if she doesn’t like it she can say something.  Or you might read it out of her by her reactions if you really want to be thoughtful. Oh yeah, I’m this bad-ass rebel, pressing play on my CD player without permission.  (Sorry if I’m threatening anyone’s shyness here, I don’t mean for feelings to get hurt by the harshness of what I say.) > Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t > stressful enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the same > time.

That is a little annoying, if I’m trying to figure out what to order and I’m supposed to be answering questions.  But you can figure out on a date whether you like someone or whether the revised goal just becomes goofing off and getting through it.  (I guess there’s option C where you’re just trying to fake or NLP your way into her pants, but I couldn’t help you with that one.) > Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too > effusive in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by Hollywood > but if you’re openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster pap you will > seem like a snob. Do you whisper witty remarks during the movie or do > you focus squarely on the screen?  Do you put your arm around her or > do you keep your hands to yourself? Finally, how do you critique the > movie itself? If you give neutral answers, it will seem like you’re > waiting for her to state her opinion first so you can contour your own > views to suit hers. But if you jump too quickly, you run the risk of > either sounding like a plebian or an elitist.

I’m a believer in not giving much of a care to her opinion of how you are.  What kind of a pathetic waste of life is it to sculpt your opinion and personality to please one person who doesn’t care, unless she’s _really_ hot and smart? But really, if you’re going to not be yourself, putting on some bullshit white-washed personality because you think it’s nice is the absolute worst idea possible.  It doesn’t work, it’s pathetic, and it’s obviously phony.  If you’re going to be a faker, at least make it interesting and not match the stereotype of what women find the least sexually interesting. > Concerts: Unfortunately the only acts that come to my town are country > ones. Meanwhile all our bar bands play the same cliched mix of classic > rock interspersed with alternative. If I hear "Sweet Home Alabama" one > more time . . . So essentially music is out.

I hear you. > Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to > watch inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no > rhtyhmn so dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a > barroom conversation over loud music is lost on me. > Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, > volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing > myself.

It’s a good idea to stay away then.  Coordination in sport is a far more important indicator of how people read masculinity than most people would admit.  There’s no sense in wrecking some poor girl’s fantasy that you are a functional male, even if the connection is obviously stupid.  Don’t mention that you suck at all sports, please.  Make something up about how you used to play something as a kid at least. > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she > trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am > I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the > cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional > worry in my head.

Wow, if you’re getting to the point of having sex that early, why waste it by being too neurotic about it?  Just have the most fun possible, and if she likes you she likes you, otherwise at least you fill the spank bank.  You can worry about what she actually wants later on if she’s interested in a relationship. > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women > and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those > shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the > date itself. > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it?

If it’s all negatives from anxiety, and there’s no peripheral pleasure, you need to re-evaluate your priorties and just do some more of what you want without caring about the approval of someone in a skirt. > And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I > go out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette.

I don’t know, you’re a creative bullshit artist, so I’m sure you’ll think of something good and we’ll eagerly read about it.

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Rainier wrote: > Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often boring > ordeal?

Not only dating.  Any contact to other people whatsoever.  Be it the grocery store cashier, the man who sells the morning paper, family members, little old women, etc.  All of them.  All.  ALL! **beats head on desk** > Consider your typical dating activities: > The Drive: Let’s start with the beginning. Do you turn up the car stereo > in order to preclude idle chit-chat or do you keep the music low in order > to enable conversation? If you decide to play music, do you ask her which > station she likes–and risk sounding like an eager to please, henpecked > nice guy? Or do you act like a bad boy and play whatever obscure CD suits > your fancy, f___ her?

Well… keeping in mind this is a man’s exercise, and ignoring that fact like I usually do… and keeping in mind I’m too big a weeney to ever ask anyone out and so have to answer from the fantasy world that exists inside my head… What I’d like to have happen:  I would consider this a good time to find out what kind of music she likes, show her what I like, and discuss our mutual likes and dislikes. What I’d actually do:  Lock up, stutter, turn red, and spend the rest of the mostly quiet drive looking out the window. > Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t stressful > enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the same time.

OMG yes.  On the few dates I’ve been on I spend dinner praying and dreading the moment when my food falls off my fork or spoon onto the table top, or into my water glass.  Or squirts out my mouth onto the cheek of a neighboring diner.  (this actually happened once)  Or my meat being too tough to cut and it ricocheting off my plate to slap into the rest of my cutlery and onto the floor.  (this actually happened too) > Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too effusive > in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by Hollywood but if you’re > openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster pap you will seem like a snob.

Agreed.  I never know how other people get their inside knowledge of what the good movies are before they hit the theaters.  I feel like if I comment on what I know from a trailer I’ll seem dumb.  If I find a trailer exciting someone will inevitably say "you’ve got to be kidding" and then I’ll feel like I’m too naive to watch movies without grown-up supervision. > Do you whisper witty remarks during the movie or do you focus squarely on > the screen?  

Geez, that’s a hard one.  In the past I’ve used the movie as a welcome excuse to keep my mouth shut. > Do you put your arm around her or do you keep your hands to > yourself?

More like, what to do with the friggin’ armrest?  Theaters these days aren’t helping either with the flip-up couples armrests that make this a more crucial question than ever.  Like, if I flip the armrest up, will he find me too forward?  If I leave it down, will he think I think he has cooties?  > Finally, how do you critique the movie itself? If you give > neutral answers, it will seem like you’re waiting for her to state her > opinion first so you can contour your own views to suit hers. But if you > jump too quickly, you run the risk of either sounding like a plebian or an > elitist.

I take the weeney approach once again.  I say "sooooo, what’d you think?"  It’s a good practice to be looking at his/her face the moment the lights go up because the movie "glow" will still be there and you can usually judge how they felt about it.  Then you can take advantage of the knowledge and either agree or keep quiet. Or you can be avoidant altogether with a comment like… "you know what director this movie style reminds me of?" and get the subject onto another movie you feel more comfortable talking about. > Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to watch > inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no rhtyhmn so > dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a barroom > conversation over loud music is lost on me.

I hate bars, clubs and pubs.  Useless places for useless activities with useless people.  If they all imploded simultaneously I wouldn’t give a crap.  I can writhe drunkenly in the privacy of my own home thankyouverymuch.  In fact, I’d prefer it that way. > Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, > volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing > myself.

How about being good at them, but not enjoying it.  Like, having a good arm, but being a woman having a good arm isn’t necessarily what gets you approved by the stronger sex.  Men don’t like it when you throw with greater accuracy than they do.  They like it better when you stand on the sidelines in a short skirt and yell "woo-hoo!". > Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good > kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she > trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am I > doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the > cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional worry > in my head.

You aren’t alone there either.  Even normies feel like that. > The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women and > getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those shallow > pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the date itself. > So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it?

No!! It gets you out of the house, but so would going outside and standing on the porch for a half hour.  And the latter doesn’t involve so much stress. > And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I go > out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette.

She’s sporty-spice, right?  :-/  Better stick to the sports related events you think you can muster through with the least difficulty. Spectator sports might be workable. Life is gonna be so much easier for shy guys and gals when femme/homme bots are invented.  We were born too early.

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Does anyone else find dating to be an incredibly taxing and often boring ordeal? Consider your typical dating activities: The Drive: Let’s start with the beginning. Do you turn up the car stereo in order to preclude idle chit-chat or do you keep the music low in order to enable conversation? If you decide to play music, do you ask her which station she likes–and risk sounding like an eager to please, henpecked nice guy? Or do you act like a bad boy and play whatever obscure CD suits your fancy, f___ her? Dinner: Every shy man’s nightmare. As if talking alone weren’t stressful enough, now you must eat AND hold a conversation at the same time. Movies: How do you critique the coming attractions? If you’re too effusive in your praise, you will seem easily manipulated by Hollywood but if you’re openly dismissive of the latest blockbuster pap you will seem like a snob. Do you whisper witty remarks during the movie or do you focus squarely on the screen?  Do you put your arm around her or do you keep your hands to yourself? Finally, how do you critique the movie itself? If you give neutral answers, it will seem like you’re waiting for her to state her opinion first so you can contour your own views to suit hers. But if you jump too quickly, you run the risk of either sounding like a plebian or an elitist. Concerts: Unfortunately the only acts that come to my town are country ones. Meanwhile all our bar bands play the same cliched mix of classic rock interspersed with alternative. If I hear "Sweet Home Alabama" one more time . . . So essentially music is out. Bars: I suck at darts and pool. I don’t sing and have no desire to watch inebriated idiots warble off-key so karoake is out. I have no rhtyhmn so dancing is out. My ears are shot so the art of holding a barroom conversation over loud music is lost on me. Sports: I suck at all sports that require skill. Rock climbing, volleyball, tennis, basketball: I’m so inept I wind up embarrassing myself. Intimacy: These are the questions that go through my head: Am I good kisser? Did she fake that orgasm? Did I stay hard long enough? Is she trying to placate her sugar daddy when she claims I’m good in bed? Am I doing (insert sexual activity here) that right? Instead of being the cherry on top of a wonderful evening, sex is simply one additional worry in my head. The only pleasure I take in dating is being seen with real live women and getting the chance to brag about it later on a.s.s. But those shallow pleasures barely make up for the anxiety I feel during the date itself. So what does everyone here think? Is dating worth it? And what are some good date ideas? I want to have fun the next time I go out with that skinny, pig-tailed coquette. -rainier

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(As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of General Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, dating, or other topics which would more appropriately be classified into the area of Love-Shyness.) I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point worked out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world.  When I say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing offense.  I’m not talking about trying to escape annoying people pestering you, like telemarketers or something like that, and I’m not talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation.  I’m talking about normal conversations with normal people with whom one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic attacks, dubious lies, etc.

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The Babaloughesian wrote: > (As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of General > Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, dating, or > other topics which would more appropriately be classified into the > area of Love-Shyness.) > I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point > worked out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world. > When I say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing > offense.  I’m not talking about trying to escape annoying people > pestering you, like telemarketers or something like that, and I’m not > talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation. > I’m talking about normal conversations with normal people with whom > one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic > attacks, dubious lies, etc.

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I don’t think there is anything special you can do. You just have to say, using a friendly or at least non-hostile  tone, "I’m sorry I have to go," and then go quickly. Most of the time a "thanks" for the conversation is not out of place. (the tone of voice is important. It conveys how we intend the words to be received.) Avoid the ‘dubious lies’ thing by not making up a story.  You don’t need one, and as you’ve seen already, a story can get you in deeper than if you just say you can’t stick around. If you internalize that you know how you intend to end a conversation, you’ll be less likely to have a panic attack.  You know what to do. That will help you. Go somewhere you can observe others doing the same thing and you’ll see there isn’t a special technique. It’s something like this. To be polite, don’t do it at the punch line of a story or when, at long last, your interlocutor is finally coming to a point.  Only ocasionally will you have to stick out a conversation a little longer than you wanted to.  The going quickly part is to keep the thing from dragging out.

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The Babaloughesian wrote: > (As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of General > Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, dating, or other > topics which would more appropriately be classified into the area of > Love-Shyness.) > I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point worked out a > way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world.  When I say > "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing offense.  I’m not talking > about trying to escape annoying people pestering you, like telemarketers or > something like that, and I’m not talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort > of romantic situation.  I’m talking about normal conversations with normal > people with whom one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via > rudeness, panic attacks, dubious lies, etc.

Nope. I have a hard time extricating myself so either things draw on and on or I make someone uncomfortable. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)

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The Babaloughesian wrote: > (As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of General > Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, dating, or other > topics which would more appropriately be classified into the area of > Love-Shyness.) > I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point worked out a > way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world.  When I say > "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing offense.  I’m not talking > about trying to escape annoying people pestering you, like telemarketers or > something like that, and I’m not talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort > of romantic situation.  I’m talking about normal conversations with normal > people with whom one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via > rudeness, panic attacks, dubious lies, etc.

Time and activity references: "Well, it’s getting late and I have to…" "It was nice talking to you but I better go, I’m (doing such and such)…" "I wish we had more time but I’d better get back to work or the boss will…" End on an upbeat note – "it was good to see you again", "great talking to you", etc. Be warm but not encouraging.  This lets the other person know you’ll enjoy talking to them again, just not right now. If you’re in an open area, like on the street or in a hallway, start moving slowly away from the person.  This signals the end of a conversation and works really well with the above comments. When you’re interested in continuing a conversation your body language is different than when you’re finished.  Turn away from the person, break eye contact, busy your hands with doing something else, be a bit distracted.  These things should tell the other person it’s time to quit.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <ddn1bg$e0…@swifty.westend.com> LisatheSequel <dontmai…@goaway.com> wrote: >The Babaloughesian wrote: >> General Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance,

Still fond of that negation pattern? >> I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point >> worked out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world. >> When I say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing >> offense.  I’m not talking about trying to escape annoying people >> pestering you, like telemarketers or something like that, and I’m not >> talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation. >> I’m talking about normal conversations with normal people with whom >> one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic >> attacks, dubious lies, etc. >Time and activity references: >"Well, it’s getting late and I have to…" >"It was nice talking to you but I better go, I’m (doing such and such)…" >"I wish we had more time but I’d better get back to work or the boss >will…"

Hmm, that could give one the nice plausible deniability on which social grace runs.  What to do if no such external contraint exists?  Do you make one up, such as having to buy some ice for a halloween party? >End on an upbeat note – "it was good to see you again", "great talking >to you", etc. Be warm but not encouraging.  This lets the other person >know you’ll enjoy talking to them again, just not right now.

Would be nice to encourage later communication that is realistic.  IOW not to lead the other on. >If you’re in an open area, like on the street or in a hallway, start >moving slowly away from the person.  This signals the end of a >conversation and works really well with the above comments. >When you’re interested in continuing a conversation your body language >is different than when you’re finished.  Turn away from the person, >break eye contact, busy your hands with doing something else, be a bit >distracted.  These things should tell the other person it’s time to >quit.

Ah yes – deliberately breaking rapport.  All that stuff about mirroring body language, that is part of the answer to the usual questions about how to "connect" with people, it is all reversible.  Lean out when they lean, put up "barriers" (fold arms, cross legs, place objects between you and they). – — Hard work has a future payoff.  Laziness pays off NOW. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC/6BS/FmLrNfLpjMRAtHZAKCX7AgNprFPYC7/31DBB2D6XzKhFgCfRpSQ jMwHA+2GxQ4n2It2F+W39WY= =A1k2 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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Bernd Jendrissek wrote:

<snipped>  > >>Time and activity references: >>"Well, it’s getting late and I have to…" >>"It was nice talking to you but I better go, I’m (doing such and such)…" >>"I wish we had more time but I’d better get back to work or the boss >>will…" > Hmm, that could give one the nice plausible deniability on which social > grace runs.  What to do if no such external contraint exists?  Do you > make one up, such as having to buy some ice for a halloween party?

No.  Tell the truth.  You (general person) have a reason for not wanting to continue the conversation, so tell it.  If it’s a harsh truth, pad it. For example -> "I don’t want to talk to you anymore and need to go away fast." becomes -> "Gotta run, now.  Got someplace to be.  Talk to you later." Even if where you need to be is the other end of the block, it’s the truth, and telling the truth helps stop the "stutter-n-stammers". The other person doesn’t need to know every gory detail, nor, probably, do they want to know.  If by chance someone does confront you about where you’re going/what you’re doing, say your vague goodbye a little more firmly, letting them know they’re not getting any more detail than that and this is the end.  Smiling, of course. If someone is as rude as asking beyond your expressing a need to go, they don’t deserve your being polite any longer.  Simply walk away.  I find people like that don’t understand or remember your rudeness any more than they did your attempt to be polite. >>End on an upbeat note – "it was good to see you again", "great talking >>to you", etc. Be warm but not encouraging.  This lets the other person >>know you’ll enjoy talking to them again, just not right now. > Would be nice to encourage later communication that is realistic.  IOW > not to lead the other on.

Yes, it depends on the person and situation.  If it’s a business colleague you needn’t be *so* warm.  Your relationship to that person should already be established and the grounds for communication will have set reasons. If it’s an acquaintance or someone you don’t know well or don’t want to offend, there’s nothing wrong with being politely warm. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>If you’re in an open area, like on the street or in a hallway, start >>moving slowly away from the person.  This signals the end of a >>conversation and works really well with the above comments. >>When you’re interested in continuing a conversation your body language >>is different than when you’re finished.  Turn away from the person, >>break eye contact, busy your hands with doing something else, be a bit >>distracted.  These things should tell the other person it’s time to >>quit. > Ah yes – deliberately breaking rapport.  All that stuff about mirroring > body language, that is part of the answer to the usual questions about > how to "connect" with people, it is all reversible.  Lean out when they > lean, put up "barriers" (fold arms, cross legs, place objects between > you and they).

Yep, I agree.

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Bernd Jendrissek wrote:

<snipped> >>Time and activity references: >>"Well, it’s getting late and I have to…" >>"It was nice talking to you but I better go, I’m (doing such and such)…" >>"I wish we had more time but I’d better get back to work or the boss >>will…" > Hmm, that could give one the nice plausible deniability on which social > grace runs.  What to do if no such external contraint exists?  Do you > make one up, such as having to buy some ice for a halloween party?

No.  Tell the truth.  You (general person) have a reason for not wanting to continue the conversation, so tell it.  If it’s a harsh truth, pad it. For example -> "I don’t want to talk to you anymore and need to go away fast." becomes -> "Gotta run, now.  Got someplace to be.  Talk to you later." Even if where you need to be is the other end of the block, it’s the truth, and telling the truth helps stop the "stutter-n-stammers". The other person doesn’t need to know every gory detail, nor, probably, do they want to know.  If by chance someone does confront you about where you’re going/what you’re doing, say your vague goodbye a little more firmly, letting them know they’re not getting any more detail than that and this is the end.  Smiling, of course. If someone is as rude as asking beyond your expressing a need to go, they don’t deserve your being polite any longer.  Simply walk away.  I find people like that don’t understand or remember your rudeness any more than they did your attempt to be polite. >>End on an upbeat note – "it was good to see you again", "great talking >>to you", etc. Be warm but not encouraging.  This lets the other person >>know you’ll enjoy talking to them again, just not right now. > Would be nice to encourage later communication that is realistic.  IOW > not to lead the other on.

Yes, it depends on the person and situation.  If it’s a business colleague you needn’t be *so* warm.  Your relationship to that person should already be established and the grounds for communication will have set reasons. If it’s an acquaintance or someone you don’t know well or don’t want to offend, there’s nothing wrong with being politely warm. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>If you’re in an open area, like on the street or in a hallway, start >>moving slowly away from the person.  This signals the end of a >>conversation and works really well with the above comments. >>When you’re interested in continuing a conversation your body language >>is different than when you’re finished.  Turn away from the person, >>break eye contact, busy your hands with doing something else, be a bit >>distracted.  These things should tell the other person it’s time to >>quit. > Ah yes – deliberately breaking rapport.  All that stuff about mirroring > body language, that is part of the answer to the usual questions about > how to "connect" with people, it is all reversible.  Lean out when they > lean, put up "barriers" (fold arms, cross legs, place objects between > you and they).

Yep, I agree.

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"The Babaloughesian" <babaloughes…@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:eKmdnUH83siGH2PfRVn-qQ@comcast.com: > (As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of General > Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, dating, or > other topics which would more appropriately be classified into the > area of Love-Shyness.) > I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point worked > out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world.  When I > say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing offense.  I’m > not talking about trying to escape annoying people pestering you, like > telemarketers or something like that, and I’m not talking about > rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation.  I’m talking about > normal conversations with normal people with whom one cannot afford to > simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic attacks, dubious lies, > etc.

Are you after a way to cut short a conversation that would otherwise continue?  Try some variation of: "Hey, could we continue this conversation later?  I need to get X done."   Here, X is something plausible and with some kind of deadline.  Since you’re a student, you could say "studying for a test" or "my homework." Head towards the exit, if applicable.  Some people will try to suck you back into the conversation.  In that case, just say something like, "Alright, we can talk about that whenever I get done" whenever you have an opening to speak.  It also helps to cast glances out the window, at your watch (or a wall clock), or towards your exit while they’re talking.  Most people will get the clue pretty quickly. At the extreme:  There’s one guy I work with who absolutely will not let a conversation die, but with whom I can’t burn bridges.  Seriously, I could tell this guy I’m late to my own grandmother’s funeral and he’d gab at me for two hours without stopping to take a breath.  Sadly, I’ve watched him with others, and they can’t get him to take the hint, either.  In those unfortunate cases, you just have to weather it and try to avoid talking to them in the future.

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LisatheSequel <dontmai…@goaway.com> wrote in news:ddobnb$k91$1@swifty.westend.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bernd Jendrissek wrote: > <snipped> >>>Time and activity references: >>>"Well, it’s getting late and I have to…" >>>"It was nice talking to you but I better go, I’m (doing such and >>>such)…" "I wish we had more time but I’d better get back to work or >>>the boss will…" >> Hmm, that could give one the nice plausible deniability on which >> social grace runs.  What to do if no such external contraint exists? >> Do you make one up, such as having to buy some ice for a halloween >> party? > No.  Tell the truth.  You (general person) have a reason for not > wanting to continue the conversation, so tell it.  If it’s a harsh > truth, pad it. For example -> "I don’t want to talk to you anymore and > need to go away fast." > becomes -> "Gotta run, now.  Got someplace to be.  Talk to you later." > Even if where you need to be is the other end of the block, it’s the > truth, and telling the truth helps stop the "stutter-n-stammers". > The other person doesn’t need to know every gory detail, nor, > probably, do they want to know.  If by chance someone does confront > you about where you’re going/what you’re doing, say your vague goodbye > a little more firmly, letting them know they’re not getting any more > detail than that and this is the end.  Smiling, of course.

Also: "Don’t have time.  Tell ya later!" Unless you’re fleeing an important event or conversation, they always forget about it, so you never have to tell them later.

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Dolores <weaselpant…@sinmonkey.com> in news:lY2dnQap6t1DeWPfRVn-ig@comcast.com: > The Babaloughesian wrote:

on topic! have you no shame? >> I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point >> worked out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world. >> When I say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing >> offense.  I’m not talking about trying to escape annoying people >> pestering you, like telemarketers or something like that, and I’m not >> talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation. >> I’m talking about normal conversations with normal people with whom >> one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic >> attacks, dubious lies, etc. > Nope. I have a hard time extricating myself so either things draw on > and on or I make someone uncomfortable.

what you do is recall something they said that wasn’t *quite* finshed… then you say something like. "…well, i’ve gotta.." (no specific words necessary.. the way you say  it suggests that you’re LATE LATE LATE for your interview with julius caesar) and you continue, saying..  "but i think you didn’t quite finish talking about your latest hot interest… (uploading tomatoes to avoid high priced storebought tomatoes… avoiding increased store tomato prices. due to trucker’s fuel bills passed along to consumers.. etc) " then you let them hurriedly spit out the last bits of that subject of *theirs*, to which you make *no reply* and then you make your physical escape. — – many ppl who are not so good at ending conversatoins will manage with the standard joke.. "well, i’ll let you go now" (actually meaning, "well, you’ll let me go now ") but that still works.. ending conversatoins "prematurely" tends to make ppl hunger for more.. so if you want to be popular… end convos in somewhat hasty manner..

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LisatheSequel <dontmai…@goaway.com> in news:ddn1bg$e01$1@swifty.westend.com: > The Babaloughesian wrote: >> (As the subject indicates, this thread relates to the realm of >> General Shyness, meaning that it is not about women, sex, romance, >> dating, or other topics which would more appropriately be classified >> into the area of Love-Shyness.) >> I was wondering if there are people here who have at some point >> worked out a way to gracefully end a conversation in the real world. >> When I say "gracefully" I mean without awkwardness or causing >> offense.  I’m not talking about trying to escape annoying people >> pestering you, like telemarketers or something like that,

shotguns work there.. >>and I’m not >> talking about rejecting MOTAS in some sort of romantic situation. >> I’m talking about normal conversations with normal people with whom >> one cannot afford to simply burn one’s bridges via rudeness, panic >> attacks, dubious lies, etc. > Time and activity references: >"Well, it’s getting late and I have to…"

take a leak >"It was nice talking to you but I better go,

rob that bank .. i think they close at 4:30… >I’m (doing such and >such)…"

and i didn’t think you were enough of a perv to *want* to hang about and watch me do *that* >"I wish we had more time

to discuss *everything* about my kidney stones, plantar warts, hemorrhoids, halitosis (check it now, quick, huh?), etc e,tc etc, >but I’d better get back to work or >the boss > will…"

wake up (.. or maybe not, but let’s pretend he/she might) > End on an upbeat note – "it was good to see you again",

and you’re in *really* great shape, but if you’re heading outside now, you might want to cover up again.. >"great talking > to you", etc. Be warm but not encouraging.  This lets the other person > know you’ll enjoy talking to them again, just not right now.

enough of this talk already. let’s find a room > If you’re in an open area, like on the street or in a hallway, start > moving slowly away from the person.  This signals the end of a > conversation and works really well with the above comments. > When you’re interested in continuing a conversation your body language > is different than when you’re finished.  Turn away from the person, > break eye contact, busy your hands with doing something else, be a bit > distracted.  These things should tell the other person it’s time to > quit.

yes.. shows signs of your shifting attention..

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Due to my poem ‘blink’, which was an experiment in loonacy, and the response from Twittering, I realize that not everyone will appriciate that type of ‘creativity’, and might take it the wrong way (Thinking im on drugs [only my adhd meds], or perhaps really crazy?). I see people post crazy stuff here and there on the internet (I spend a good amount of time learning different subjects on the net, programming forums, etc, etc, so I get a lot of exposure to the different types of personalities that make their way into cyberspace.) One day, about a year ago, I thought it would be interesting to attempt to create a ‘post’ that was just as insane, but just as funny, as some of the other posts I saw. What would it be like for me? If I posted it, what would be the reactions of other people? Well the reactions of the other people, were to ignore it, which taught me some things about belief structures, annoyances, and the active componant of our brain that filters things. So it was filtered. As for how it was like for me? I thought I would be able to understand it a little better, however I viewed it almost like ‘homework’, or an essay. So I didnt really ‘get’ a lot from analyzing it all. So that faded, and didnt resurface again for awhile, even though I was constantly bombarded with insane babblings from people that either A: Wanted to annoy, B: Were just bored, C: Just wanted to be funny (a clown), D: Just wanted some attention, or E: Any combination of the above. I actually felt the pullings of the desire to post something weird again during these times (very faint, but I am very aware of how I feel at all times, its called mental hygiene, a sort of self-check system.) I found that the reasons for these feelings of wanting to post something, was related to the ‘clown syndrome’. I wont go into details about what it is about, I am sure there have been books written about it. For instance, why do people want to be a class clown in school? What are the main motives? What, if any, are the possible reasons in a personality that would make someone feel like doing this? Etc. You see this everywhere, at jobs you got (at least I had) an employee that wants to make everyone laugh, so he/she does weird things, or tells jokes. At school there was this clown thing going on, in families it happens. I see this all over the internet as well. There are just certain people that like to speak out, coupled with the desire to make people laugh. So, after further analysis, as of 2 minutes ago, I deem my poetry project private, and will only share if asked. (If you wonder how I have time to type very long messages, lets just say that I type very very fast. This message took about 1-2 minutes to type.) P.S. Thanks Twittering for your concern and kindness.

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Yes, you do type fast, rapid fngers skittering. You and P Fogg might enjoy one another. Enjoy bed.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Due to my poem ‘blink’, which was an experiment in loonacy, and the response from Twittering, I realize that not everyone will appriciate that type of ‘creativity’, and might take it the wrong way (Thinking im on drugs [only my adhd meds], or perhaps really crazy?). I see people post crazy stuff here and there on the internet (I spend a good amount of time learning different subjects on the net, programming forums, etc, etc, so I get a lot of exposure to the different types of personalities that make their way into cyberspace.) One day, about a year ago, I thought it would be interesting to attempt to create a ‘post’ that was just as insane, but just as funny, as some of the other posts I saw. What would it be like for me? If I posted it, what would be the reactions of other people? Well the reactions of the other people, were to ignore it, which taught me some things about belief structures, annoyances, and the active componant of our brain that filters things. So it was filtered. As for how it was like for me? I thought I would be able to understand it a little better, however I viewed it almost like ‘homework’, or an essay. So I didnt really ‘get’ a lot from analyzing it all. So that faded, and didnt resurface again for awhile, even though I was constantly bombarded with insane babblings from people that either A: Wanted to annoy, B: Were just bored, C: Just wanted to be funny (a clown), D: Just wanted some attention, or E: Any combination of the above. I actually felt the pullings of the desire to post something weird again during these times (very faint, but I am very aware of how I feel at all times, its called mental hygiene, a sort of self-check system.) I found that the reasons for these feelings of wanting to post something, was related to the ‘clown syndrome’. I wont go into details about what it is about, I am sure there have been books written about it. For instance, why do people want to be a class clown in school? What are the main motives? What, if any, are the possible reasons in a personality that would make someone feel like doing this? Etc. You see this everywhere, at jobs you got (at least I had) an employee that wants to make everyone laugh, so he/she does weird things, or tells jokes. At school there was this clown thing going on, in families it happens. I see this all over the internet as well. There are just certain people that like to speak out, coupled with the desire to make people laugh. So, after further analysis, as of 2 minutes ago, I deem my poetry project private, and will only share if asked. (If you wonder how I have time to type very long messages, lets just say that I type very very fast. This message took about 1-2 minutes to type.) P.S. Thanks Twittering for your concern and kindness.

Since I’ve been invoked, I’ll speak up (I’m the pfogg you’re supposed to get along with because we’re both speedy typists).  Twittering does this to everybody.  She cries out pitiably for help, and when anybody responds she either gets paranoid or dismissive.  This is her problem, not yours. –Patti

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Since I’ve been invoked, I’ll speak up (I’m the pfogg you’re supposed to get along with because we’re both speedy typists).  Twittering does this to everybody.  She cries out pitiably for help, and when anybody responds she either gets paranoid or dismissive.  This is her problem, not yours. –Patti P Fogg. You are nasty. That is neither paranoid or dismissive. So there. Please be nice to your patients. That is neither paranoid or dismissive.

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P Fogg, Please attend to your patients’ Life & Death crisis. That is not a request. That is the law.

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P Fogg.

Oh just leave Patti alone will you? You can’t blame this group for what happens in your life, ok? Patti’s doing good positive stuff, improving her life and doesn’t deserve to be picked on by you. Vashti

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Oh just leave Patti alone will you? You can’t blame this group for what happens in your life, ok? Patti’s doing good positive stuff, improving her life and doesn’t deserve to be picked on by you. ~ Vashti O, right. Vashit, Fogg, do you do Volunteer work? What sort?

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So, after further analysis, as of 2 minutes ago, I deem my poetry project private, and will only share if asked.

You could start a poetry blog and link to it in your sig line perhaps? I think with some blogging systems you can categorise your posts so there’d be the option of archiving them in their own group say… (If you wonder how I have time to type very long messages, lets just say that I type very very fast. This message took about 1-2 minutes to type.)

I type really fast too… pity most of it is with my backspace key! Welcome to ASAD btw. Vashti

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P Fogg, Please attend to your patients’ Life & Death crisis. That is not a request. That is the law.

1. You are not my patient. 2. At this time, I’m barely qualified to treat my dog for fleas. 3.  I did respond to you repeatedly, and you were occasionally receptive, sometimes dismissive, and frequently downright snide and insulting.  At least twice you were hostile and paranoid. I see you like a bear trap on the usenet path that serial people keep getting their feet stuck in.  It’s painful to watch.  I don’t intend nastiness — just honesty.  If you really don’t want me to speak up, stop talking about me and I promise to leave you alone. I hope that you eventually get the help you need.

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"1. You are not my patient. 2. At this time, I’m barely qualified to treat my dog for fleas. 3.  I did respond to you repeatedly, and you were occasionally receptive, sometimes dismissive, and frequently downright snide and insulting.  At least twice you were hostile and paranoid. I see you like a bear trap on the usenet path that serial people keep getting their feet stuck in.  It’s painful to watch.  I don’t intend nastiness — just honesty.  If you really don’t want me to speak up, stop talking about me and I promise to leave you alone. I hope that you eventually get the help you need." No, that’s not honesty.

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No, that’s not honesty.

Whatever.  It’s honestly what I think.

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Hope your Pre ~ Lust Is under control, too.

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Hope your Pre ~ Lust Is under control, too.

What’s pre-lust?  ’Preciate the flea tx info.

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"Curiosities In The Tower of London I always eat peas with honey, I’ve dreamed peas all my life. O, they taste so yummy, If pre ~ lust warms my tummy." ~ Twittering

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"The Trial of an Ox, a Fife Tune played, Dear Reader ~ You Be mine, for a Chapbook courting strife, Rhymed, you knot, verily, for thusly I write." ~ Twittering

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"YOU? A Penny Dreadful, you Already note, scored Valentine, doted worthily, My staff lines, Twisted Notes, dangled, dew Opera de Honestly, flown a flew ~ !" ~ Twittering

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No, that’s not honesty.

Yes, it is.  It’s as honest as what you’ve got from me, and rejected that, too. When many people around you are saying the same thing, don’t you think you ought to take a good look at what you’re doing and how you’re acting and consider it might be *you* who needs to change? — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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Ann, You lack the kindness and depth of understanding I credited to you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, that’s not honesty. Yes, it is.  It’s as honest as what you’ve got from me, and rejected that, too. When many people around you are saying the same thing, don’t you think you ought to take a good look at what you’re doing and how you’re acting and consider it might be *you* who needs to change? — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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Ann, You lack the kindness and depth of understanding I credited to you.

No I don’t.  But constantly demanding sympathy gets old.  I’ve lived with someone who demands it my whole life, she’s my mother.  I don’t give it out as continuously to others.  I have all kinds of sympathy when it looks as though the recipient is doing something to make things better for him/herself.  It’s the only way things get better for anyone. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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I have all kinds of sympathy when it looks as though the recipient is doing something to make things better for him/herself.  It’s the only way things get better for anyone. — Ann Ann, Sometimes asking for help is the first step. That IS doing something, And if one is unable to do more than that due to many reasons, eg, neurological, trauma, lask of skills, fear, shame, lack of knowledge, ASKING is a very laudable first step, and should be answered. People haved wounds that deserve sympathy, and assistance. And it’s NOT the only way things get better … There are 2 other important elements ~ 1. Self help, which includes help-seeking behavior; 2. Asking for help, a recognition that one NEEDs help; 3. Fate, just plain luck, or serdipitous generosity, which also includes spontaneous recovery. Perhaps there are other elements of the way "things get better," but that’s a fundamental breakdown, based on my knowledge and experience, which is rich in ways, impoverished, in other ways. A good read: The homosexual "life-span" section of Saddock & Saddock, the standard Psychiatry textbook, which has an excellent dicussion of problems associated with "aging" in homosexual populations. First you’re a Youth, with associated develomental issues, then you grow up, and next, you’re facing the other end of the spectrum. Someone people face more difficulties than others, luck of the draw, to some extent. I am glad you transitioned so nicely into your present phase of life, which seems enriched. But kicking a person who is down is not the answer.

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… and, Ann, I think we all know by now, [thanks to people like Hallowell and Ratey, among others] that yelling at a person with AD[Hi!]D, who is ~ stumbling, tembling, stuttering, crying, feeling exhausted of options, seriously frightened, out of resources, alone, unemployed, feeling like a failure, without family, without friends who answer any more, at the end of the rope of known options to try, who has seriously asked for help from a mental healthcare professional, who charges $130.00/hour ~ GET YOUR OWN DAMN SELF OUT OF IT! Is not helpful. It did not help me. I spent a year on Channel Z, alone. That does wierd stuff to tghe brain’s wiring, too. Takes a bit of work to remediate. And Will, and a roof, and other means, too. Just my 2 cents. Hope that helps.

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Ps. I’ll take Dr. Peter Breggin ANY day! … O, if you care about someone, DO NOT send them to the New York University Medical Center Adult ADHD Clinic. Just my opinion, please note, based on my personal experience. However, in the interest of FAIR BALANCE [because you know, I am a professional medical writer] The NYU Dermatology Departement is THE BEST in the world. That’s a FACT, not my opinion. Just ask ~ Mary Ellen Brademas, MD Sherri Lagin, MD Jerome Shupack, MD Et al.

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But kicking a person who is down is not the answer.

You take it as kicking.  It all depends on your perspective. I can’t do anything about that. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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Less about your computer and more about your ISP.  I get this problem now and then when my cable is not responding at the right speed and it acts as if it’s not sending my messages.  Who is your provider? Michelle

Michelle, Thanks for responding. My ISP is a local 2-man, one woman operation. Man #1 has the worst personality problem I believe I have ever seen, and man #2 (the repair wallah) is properly cowed. Therefore, there isn’t much help from them. I would very much like to find someplace to which I could take my computer problems, but so far no luck. You may have hit upon something when you mentioned speed. Out here at the nether end of Ma Bell’s rural line, my current connected dial-up speed of 24,000 bps is the fastest I ever get with my PC and my lap-top won’t even connect; sometimes the speed drops as low as 9,000 bps. My PC is pretty old, but would get 56,000 bps were it not for the line noise. I expect noise is the problem. Does anyone know anything about the new (to me) wireless hook-ups? BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Less about your computer and more about your ISP.  I get this problem now and then when my cable is not responding at the right speed and it acts as if it’s not sending my messages.  Who is your provider? Michelle

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I agree with your last statement.  Actually, I don’t even like the liberal and conservative "labels" as they seem a bit off.  I personally can’t stand Al Gore, but that’s a personal thing and less related to the issues at hand. In actuallity though I get a bit put off by articles that tend to label the political camps and situations as if that’s the whole ball game.  It’s so extreme.  When we look at the American population in general, the educated population that is, I think we’ll find a whole lot more commonality when it comes to issues such as was and medical treatment…it’s when we delve too deep into logistics, we separate. But interestingly, it’s that way with everything…even our jobs Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s the websites you go to…they lean too far to the left Just teasing you, Bob. Michelle You may be right, Michelle. However, I prefer the term liberal to left-wing, if you please; there’s a big difference. I’m in the same camp with FDR, Al Gore, Mario Cuomo and Joe Biden, to name just a few. And when it comes to preventing war and giving medical attention to those who can’t pay for it, I hope we are all in the same camp. BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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I think it’s the websites you go to…they lean too far to the left Just teasing you, Bob. Michelle

You may be right, Michelle. However, I prefer the term liberal to left-wing, if you please; there’s a big difference. I’m in the same camp with FDR, Al Gore, Mario Cuomo and Joe Biden, to name just a few. And when it comes to preventing war and giving medical attention to those who can’t pay for it, I hope we are all in the same camp. BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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I think it’s the websites you go to…they lean too far to the left Just teasing you, Bob. Michelle

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Probably a post I could do without, but that’s okay…I still love you Bob Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How American "moral values" are preventing AIDS help for Brazil. Most of this has been cut and pasted from the editorial page of today’s New York Times. "Brazil has the best anti-AIDS program of any developing country. It has a model prevention effort and was the first poor country to provide free AIDS treatment to all who need it, a program countries around the world are now beginning to emulate." "But newer AIDS medicines are still imported and are expensive, and Brazil is spending two-thirds of its antiretroviral budget on just three of these drugs. Brazil’s government [is] buying lifelong daily medicines for 170,000 people, and that number is rising." Under the rules of the World Trade Organization Brazil has the right ignore patent protections and themselves manufacture drugs used in the treatment of AIDS. They have the ability, and have long been doing this in the case of drugs whose patents have expired. They have now requested permission from the drug manufacturers (something they don’t legally need to do) to manufacture AIDS drugs in Brazil and have offered to pay a reasonable royalty. The drug manufacturers have refused. An example of "moral values" in action. "Breaking patents should be reserved for when it is clearly necessary to protect public health. But these rights have been underused [by the third world countries]. Only a handful of countries have used W.T.O. rules to break patents on medicines. Countries are intimidated, mainly by the United States. Health ministers who propose making copycat drugs are usually silenced by influential local business sectors afraid of trade retaliation." Don’t get all bent out of shape about it; it’s only business were talking here. "Right-wing groups in the United States and pharmaceutical manufacturers are calling [patent breaking] theft, and several members of Congress have asked the United States trade representative to apply trade sanctions." In short, in Brazil, as in most third world countries, people are being killed by the AIDS virus in overwhelming numbers. The Brazilian government is trying mightily to do something about it. Our right wing government, motivated by its self proclaimed sense of "moral values", could easily help Brazil in its very moral (and legal) endeavor, but is instead restraining Brazil’s efforts by exerting diplomatic pressure…by threatening trade sanctions. Our government is doing this shabby deed on behalf of right wing congressional groups who are, in turn, acting on behalf of the drug lobby. Why would our congressmen do such a thing as this? Because they are given money, goods and services by the drug companies for doing so. If those wee crooked little men in our right wing government have attained the power to reach clear to Brazil to support ruinous drug prices there, what chance do we have of getting these outrageous prices reduced here in their very own back yard? The only way out will come in 2008. You might reflect on this the next time you take money out of the kid’s college fund to pay through the teeth for a triptan Rx. BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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How American "moral values" are preventing AIDS help for Brazil.

You guys are going to sooner or later get sick of my stuttering computer and tell me what the hell is causing it BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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How American "moral values" are preventing AIDS help for Brazil. Most of this has been cut and pasted from the editorial page of today’s New York Times. "Brazil has the best anti-AIDS program of any developing country. It has a model prevention effort and was the first poor country to provide free AIDS treatment to all who need it, a program countries around the world are now beginning to emulate." "But newer AIDS medicines are still imported and are expensive, and Brazil is spending two-thirds of its antiretroviral budget on just three of these drugs. Brazil’s government [is] buying lifelong daily medicines for 170,000 people, and that number is rising." Under the rules of the World Trade Organization Brazil has the right ignore patent protections and themselves manufacture drugs used in the treatment of AIDS. They have the ability, and have long been doing this in the case of drugs whose patents have expired. They have now requested permission from the drug manufacturers (something they don’t legally need to do) to manufacture AIDS drugs in Brazil and have offered to pay a reasonable royalty. The drug manufacturers have refused. An example of "moral values" in action. "Breaking patents should be reserved for when it is clearly necessary to protect public health. But these rights have been underused [by the third world countries]. Only a handful of countries have used W.T.O. rules to break patents on medicines. Countries are intimidated, mainly by the United States. Health ministers who propose making copycat drugs are usually silenced by influential local business sectors afraid of trade retaliation." Don’t get all bent out of shape about it; it’s only business were talking here. "Right-wing groups in the United States and pharmaceutical manufacturers are calling [patent breaking] theft, and several members of Congress have asked the United States trade representative to apply trade sanctions." In short, in Brazil, as in most third world countries, people are being killed by the AIDS virus in overwhelming numbers. The Brazilian government is trying mightily to do something about it. Our right wing government, motivated by its self proclaimed sense of "moral values", could easily help Brazil in its very moral (and legal) endeavor, but is instead restraining Brazil’s efforts by exerting diplomatic pressure…by threatening trade sanctions. Our government is doing this shabby deed on behalf of right wing congressional groups who are, in turn, acting on behalf of the drug lobby. Why would our congressmen do such a thing as this? Because they are given money, goods and services by the drug companies for doing so. If those wee crooked little men in our right wing government have attained the power to reach clear to Brazil to support ruinous drug prices there, what chance do we have of getting these outrageous prices reduced here in their very own back yard? The only way out will come in 2008. You might reflect on this the next time you take money out of the kid’s college fund to pay through the teeth for a triptan Rx. BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Sero Tonique, Fogg ~ !

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Sero Tonique, Fogg ~ !

Huh?

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"I reduce my carbs Every spring to lose my winter hiney ~ ! I discovered as long as I keep my carbs moderately low, The Ritalin works great ~ Doesn’t cause me problems. Must be something different, the way I metabolize, without the excess carbs." ~ P Fogg "Sero Tonique, Fogg ~ !" ~ Twittering Huh? "CLow carborator, Freed ~ Up Dope receptor ~ !" ~ Folly

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"Sero Tonique, Fogg ~ !" ~ Twittering "Huh?’ ~ P Fogg "CLow corroborator, Freed ~ Up Dope receptor ~ !" ~ Folly "O, yes ~ Doubt, that Synaptic Gap uncrossed, Breeds Dopes Among The Interim. An Un ~ Corroboration feeds lost Moments, O, alas, Invention steps in, ropes The Mother of Necessity." ~ Arrowroot "Also, respectfully known as, AKA, A Lie of Omission. O, Don’t mention it." ~ Black Oak

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.  ok, silly question, but have you tried melatonin?  on stims or off, i’m _never_ sleepy at night, and this does actually cause me to be sleepy. i have to take 3-4 of them. it’s made in the body(although apparently not by me) and i don’t think anyone has ever been poisoned by it. megadoses won’t kill you, in other words. just a thought.  kate But 10 years ago when it first became popular, I had confusion on (I think) 2 or 5 mg (i.e., 2000 mcg or 5000 mcg) that was bad enough for DH to notice, which is really saying something.  Later they started making them in mcg instead of mg.  I have tried some 300-mcg tabs that don’t cause confusion, but they also don’t make me particularly sleepy.

  well, they may have temporarily incapacitated some people, honestly, i remember the gist of stuff, but can’t quote chapter/verse, so i didn’t even try. but it’s these 300mcg i’m taking. so that’s .9-1.2 mg? i think. sometimes i get sleepy, others i just don’t lay there and _think_ forever. used to take a ritalin late in the day, and that also helped sleep.  kate

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I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.

My 10 y.o. has just been given this combo. She’s been on 45 mg Stratterra per day since last August, but well, if you plotted the results in a linear fashion, with the left being least effective, you’d have no meds on the left, Concerta on the right (but side effects, see Ritalin below) and Stratterra somewhere in the middle of effectiveness – for her. She’s just not been doing what she needs to on her school work – still too distracted etc. So pdoc thought adding in 5mg Ritalin am might help, without bringing back too many side effects (insomnia, anorexia, mood crashes, violence). The advantage to this is, she only needs to take the Ritalin on 5 mornings a week, and the Stratterra *does* keep her calmer than nothing or Concerta. If this works, we may need to add in 5mg for the afternoon work, especially as she goes up to high school in just over a year. Yesterday was Day 2, she didn’t bring home any unfinished work from the morning session, and  she reports that it ‘helped a wee bit’ (she does understatement quite well, lol).  I have a meeting with her teacher next Friday so I shall ask what a fortnights’ difference has been then (I haven’t told them its been added in, I want to see if it stands out by itself) — Grymma AFPOh Goddess Of Hangovers; B.F.(use ‘reply to’) Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I reduce my carbs Every spring to lose my winter hiney ~ ! I discovered as long as I keep my carbs moderately low, The Ritalin works great ~ Doesn’t cause me problems. Must be something different, the way I metabolize, without the excess carbs." ~ P Fogg "Sero Tonique, Fogg ~ !" ~ Twittering Huh? "CLow carborator, Freed ~ Up Dope receptor ~ !" ~ Folly

Ah.

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Ah. Alors.

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This post was very helpful — thank so much.

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: : Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is : a bit sedating. :  ok, silly question, but have you tried melatonin?  on stims or off, I think it is still N/A in Canada.

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: : Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is : a bit sedating. :  ok, silly question, but have you tried melatonin?  on stims or off, I think it is still N/A in Canada.

 i didn’t know you were in canada

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This post was very helpful — thank so much.

There ya go…. Glad to help when I can, which is not often… I appreciate your taking the time to say so. SP — Finally: take out the TRASHH

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I have been taking Straterra (120mg/day, 1mg/kg) for about 4 months. At first it was too good to be true (very strong anti-depressant effect), now it seems to work OK.  I wondered whether dex or rit would help me more.  My head-med doc prescribed 20mg dex.  It does help me more but is slightly unpleasant for me, so I only do it when I need it. The stimulants alone (dex, rit, adderall) didn’t work too well for me. I got headaches before getting a very effective dose.  I have a great fear of headaches because I used to get migraines, not as bad as some get them, but bad enough to make me want to stay in bed all day.

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I have been taking Straterra (120mg/day, 1mg/kg) for about 4 months. At first it was too good to be true (very strong anti-depressant effect), now it seems to work OK.  I wondered whether dex or rit would help me more.  My head-med doc prescribed 20mg dex.  It does help me more but is slightly unpleasant for me, so I only do it when I need it. The stimulants alone (dex, rit, adderall) didn’t work too well for me. I got headaches before getting a very effective dose.  I have a great fear of headaches because I used to get migraines, not as bad as some get them, but bad enough to make me want to stay in bed all day.

My appologies "ProfDD". I have been castrated. rl

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Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.

 ok, silly question, but have you tried melatonin?  on stims or off, i’m _never_ sleepy at night, and this does actually cause me to be sleepy. i have to take 3-4 of them. it’s made in the body(although apparently not by me) and i don’t think anyone has ever been poisoned by it. megadoses won’t kill you, in other words. just a thought.  kate

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Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.  ok, silly question, but have you tried melatonin?  on stims or off, i’m _never_ sleepy at night, and this does actually cause me to be sleepy. i have to take 3-4 of them. it’s made in the body(although apparently not by me) and i don’t think anyone has ever been poisoned by it. megadoses won’t kill you, in other words. just a thought.  kate

But 10 years ago when it first became popular, I had confusion on (I think) 2 or 5 mg (i.e., 2000 mcg or 5000 mcg) that was bad enough for DH to notice, which is really saying something.  Later they started making them in mcg instead of mg.  I have tried some 300-mcg tabs that don’t cause confusion, but they also don’t make me particularly sleepy.

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OK.  It seems like Strattera results are all over the board. –Patti  it really seems that way. several of us in the family have used it and it just seems to do different things for(or to) different people. i like it, but it wasn’t any use w/o the ritalin, because i was still doing some very dumb stuff, just in a more alert and cheerful fashion.

: ) i would recommend trying it. also, ime, and from what all i’ve read, it would seem that if it makes you feel rotten, the dose is too high, or it’s not going to work. one other thing. i’ve not had time to research this, but i’m wondering if it affects the immune system. my daughter was on it all school year( she just stopped) and she was sick with one thing and another all year. mono twice, lymphadenitis, you name it. never seen the like.

Wow.  Another good reason not to try it during school.  I think I am going to try it in August.  Lately I have been having pretty good results on plain old methylphenidate, which wasn’t working for me before (I would get really tired after a few days), but I reduce my carbs every spring to lose my winter hiney, and I sort of accidentally discovered that as long as I keep my carbs moderately low, the Ritalin works great and doesn’t cause me any problems.  There must be something different about the way I metabolize it without the excess carbs.  Thanks for the info.  : ) –Patti

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.  right now i’m taking straterra once in a while, but i took it on and off (2-3 wks at a time) with 3x 10mg ritalin daily, also occasionally with adderall xr. i mentioned in another post that i accidentally took a straterra in the morning, and i felt drunk all day. but when i  took it at night, it improved daytime alertness, and also allowed me to wake easily in the morning.  hope this helps and ymmv  kate Hi Kate, Can you really take Strattera as-needed?  I thought it took a few weeks to become effective.  Now I have health insurance again and my doc suggested taking Strattera with a stimulant.  I’m planning to try it in August when school’s out for a month.  If you take it at night for the first time, are you more alert the next day?  If not, how long does it take before you get results? –Patti

 i hate telling this stuff because it makes me sound like a head case, but usually if something works for me, it works right away. i don’t know why. same with zoloft and welbutrin. anyway, at 40mg, i could tell it was working some, at 60mg it worked great. and i could take it at night, and was more alert the next day.  and i can take it one day at a time, it still works. whether it does this for many other people, i don’t know. i may just be lucky. but right now, i’m broke, so i just take it if i _really_ need to get up in the morning.  kate

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 i hate telling this stuff because it makes me sound like a head case,

No it doesn’t. but usually if something works for me, it works right away. i don’t know why. same with zoloft and welbutrin. anyway, at 40mg, i could tell it was working some, at 60mg it worked great. and i could take it at night, and was more alert the next day.  and i can take it one day at a time, it still works. whether it does this for many other people, i don’t know. i may just be lucky. but right now, i’m broke, so i just take it if i _really_ need to get up in the morning.  kate

OK.  It seems like Strattera results are all over the board. –Patti

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OK.  It seems like Strattera results are all over the board. –Patti

 it really seems that way. several of us in the family have used it and it just seems to do different things for(or to) different people. i like it, but it wasn’t any use w/o the ritalin, because i was still doing some very dumb stuff, just in a more alert and cheerful fashion. i would recommend trying it. also, ime, and from what all i’ve read, it would seem that if it makes you feel rotten, the dose is too high, or it’s not going to work. one other thing. i’ve not had time to research this, but i’m wondering if it affects the immune system. my daughter was on it all school year( she just stopped) and she was sick with one thing and another all year. mono twice, lymphadenitis, you name it. never seen the like.  kate  kate

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I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.

A BIT sedating? Try: feeling like being drunk all the time. Plus side is that it is a good anxiolytic, so for some of y’all with panic disorders, it may be a wise choice. Also muscle relaxant. MAY help concentration, if you can discipline yourself. However, it is the only drug my pDoc wanted to try, since it was not reputed to affect blood pressure much. That turned out to be true, in my case. Butt…. Tends (in me ) to allow the mind to wander reflectively (one reason you may want to rev things up with some stimulant). Also, at 40 mgs, I had sick stomach most of the time. At 60 mgs, if I didn’t get enough sleep, I’d throw up in the morning (When I was taking it at night, as suggestted, to palliate the GI effects). Also at 60 mgs, I was having what I would call pre psychotic hallucinations. Not serious, no loss of touch with reality, but for a Practicing Dentist, I cannot accept this, even if it only was occasional in heated situations. So I dropped it cold. It also gave me a flutter in the right eyelid, and I had an occasional stutter. It did not help me control my weight at all. Did not help with organization/memory. You should know that 18 and 20 mg versions are available, but not pushed, and if I wanted to re-try Strattttttt with a low dose stimulant, I’d want to have those low dose Strattts to start with. I found out about the lower doses here: http://www.crazymeds.org/strattera     This was done from memory (HA!!!) so if not, just plug ‘crazymeds’ into your Gooooooooogle and it’ll fall out, and just search the list for Strattttt. The guy who wrote the evaluation is a bit out there, but it is good info, and not hard to follow. My pDoc didn’t even know that the doses b/lo 40 even existed, probably cuz they are not given out as samples. IIANM, ECVC is also in Kaaannnnaaada. Remember that the pharmacists don’t yet have much experience with it, as it is too new, so they may not believe you if you say that there are lower doses available. Just pull out your bazooka and politely ask them to check the Lily web site. This doesn’t directly answere your question, but I hope it is useful. So, what you may want to discuss with your pDoc is: if you can get hold of enough of the lower doses, that might just be the ticket to counterbalance the (over)stimulant effects of whatever it is you are taking. Cheeers SP — Finally: take out the TRASHH

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I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.

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I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.

 right now i’m taking straterra once in a while, but i took it on and off (2-3 wks at a time) with 3x 10mg ritalin daily, also occasionally with adderall xr. i mentioned in another post that i accidentally took a straterra in the morning, and i felt drunk all day. but when i  took it at night, it improved daytime alertness, and also allowed me to wake easily in the morning.  hope this helps and ymmv  kate

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a meds question: is anyone taking Straterra plus a Stimulant? I’m curious if people have to stop their meds that sorta work, in order to try it. Honestly, my meds keep me awake, too. And i have heard Straterra is a bit sedating.  right now i’m taking straterra once in a while, but i took it on and off (2-3 wks at a time) with 3x 10mg ritalin daily, also occasionally with adderall xr. i mentioned in another post that i accidentally took a straterra in the morning, and i felt drunk all day. but when i  took it at night, it improved daytime alertness, and also allowed me to wake easily in the morning.  hope this helps and ymmv  kate

Hi Kate, Can you really take Strattera as-needed?  I thought it took a few weeks to become effective.  Now I have health insurance again and my doc suggested taking Strattera with a stimulant.  I’m planning to try it in August when school’s out for a month.  If you take it at night for the first time, are you more alert the next day?  If not, how long does it take before you get results? –Patti

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Again I point out to you…you are arguing simply to be arguing since you obviously haven’t taken time to think about what you post.  If you are going to mount an argument you should be certain that the persons you argue with meant something other than that which you argue. The Chinese eateries in NE Texas do indeed hire hispanics since we have an abundance of them and strange as it may seem to you, a deficiency in orientals.  Thus you are not breaking anything to me.   You are correct that this country is exceptional because of its immigrants, where did I say otherwise?  In fact where have I ever said anything that would make you or others think I was a racist bigot?   Quite a few posts back I pointed out that my buds and I were very good at twisting on each other, insulting was a game we play.  I also pointed out you didn’t stand a chance if you were going to play this game with me.  That went right over your head and you (and others) immediately forgot the game and forgot that you were in fact the prejudiced ones. You dislike rednecks.  You dislike good ol boys.  You dislike conservatives.  You dislike republicans.  You dislike the majority. But most of all you love to insult but an insult in kind, whether meant as a truth or meant as a game, drives you up the wall.  Many of your replies are playground replies…"did to, did not, did to, did not", you can’t even get your guns loaded before jerking your knee.   Once again, our open borders are dangerous.  Honest illegals (that’s a funny Abdi) that are coming here for work are becoming the minority and the drug smugglers, gang bangers, white slave traffickers and terrorists are becoming the majority of border crossers. Next time you want to challenge me to a game of wits be sure you have plenty of ammo. — — Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Mon, May 23, 2005, 6:59pm (CDT+5) From: a…@yahoo.com (abdi) Hate to break it to you, but many of the guys working at Chinese and Japanese restaurants are not either of those two. The point was this country has always done exceptional because of the immigrants and xxx xxxxs are just discovering that all those foreign student were the guys who went on to send man to moon. Now we will be stuck with a bunch of xxx xxxxs and boy are they SSSSS. *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** Visit Me At Tick’s Place… http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/

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And  that went over your head too. I do not dislike xxx xxxxs, they actually are usually quite good at what they do. I told you there is this xxx xxxx at home depot, who was instrumental in translating some (probably originally Chinese) translation of how to assemble my basketball hoop. He also came up with the idea to put wooden toothpicks, but the best was when I was totally baffled with driving nails into this cement block, so the solution turned out to drill and then screw (brilliant, the guy is under estimated), or the war in Iraq, they are making a good show. The problem is when these xxx xxxxs loose their real position and try to run the country, then we end up with silly things like, no embryonic stem cells (never mind they have no clue about it), or a war and …  They are OK as long as they watch their NASCAR. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "GT Tick" <OLT…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:15843-42923FB4-193@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Again I point out to you…you are arguing simply to be arguing since > you obviously haven’t taken time to think about what you post.  If you > are going to mount an argument you should be certain that the persons > you argue with meant something other than that which you argue. > The Chinese eateries in NE Texas do indeed hire hispanics since we have > an abundance of them and strange as it may seem to you, a deficiency in > orientals.  Thus you are not breaking anything to me. > You are correct that this country is exceptional because of its > immigrants, where did I say otherwise?  In fact where have I ever said > anything that would make you or others think I was a racist bigot? > Quite a few posts back I pointed out that my buds and I were very good > at twisting on each other, insulting was a game we play.  I also pointed > out you didn’t stand a chance if you were going to play this game with > me.  That went right over your head and you (and others) immediately > forgot the game and forgot that you were in fact the prejudiced ones. > You dislike rednecks.  You dislike good ol boys.  You dislike > conservatives.  You dislike republicans.  You dislike the majority. > But most of all you love to insult but an insult in kind, whether meant > as a truth or meant as a game, drives you up the wall.  Many of your > replies are playground replies…"did to, did not, did to, did not", you > can’t even get your guns loaded before jerking your knee. > Once again, our open borders are dangerous.  Honest illegals (that’s a > funny Abdi) that are coming here for work are becoming the minority and > the drug smugglers, gang bangers, white slave traffickers and terrorists > are becoming the majority of border crossers. > Next time you want to challenge me to a game of wits be sure you have > plenty of ammo. > — > — > Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Mon, May 23, 2005, 6:59pm > (CDT+5) From: a…@yahoo.com (abdi) > Hate to break it to you, but many of the guys working at Chinese and > Japanese restaurants are not either of those two. The point was this > country has always done exceptional because of the immigrants and xxx > xxxxs are just discovering that all those foreign student were the guys > who went on to send man to moon. Now we will be stuck > with a bunch of xxx xxxxs and boy are they SSSSS. > *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** > Visit Me At Tick’s Place… > http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/

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I thought this quote would make the TV. He had come to Rochester for destruction of SS. So they had this old lady on the podium too. So, in a rehearsed situation, he asks the lady how old are you? she says 70. Our fearless leader says, you look like a 100. What a baffoon??? — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com> wrote in message

news:42960ecc$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> abdi wrote: >> Unfortunately I think xxx xxxxism trumps those polls, its like some will >> never vote for Powel if he is ever the nominee, they have done a great >> job of portraying ACLU, Democrats, liberals as traitors. Its really >> depressing and >> its usually no use arguing with these guys. They don’t let the facts get >> in the way > Ah, but I keep trying … in the hope that someday, actual thought will > prevail. That’s either incredible optimism or unrelenting insanity. > Did you see this quote from our illustrious leader? > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over > and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the > propaganda." 2/4/2005, New York > Sounds like a Freudian slip to me …  ;-) > Kathie

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abdi wrote: > Unfortunately I think xxx xxxxism trumps those polls, its like some will > never vote for Powel if he is ever the nominee, they have done a great job > of portraying ACLU, Democrats, liberals as traitors. Its really depressing > and > its usually no use arguing with these guys. They don’t let the facts get in > the way

Ah, but I keep trying … in the hope that someday, actual thought will prevail. That’s either incredible optimism or unrelenting insanity. Did you see this quote from our illustrious leader? "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." 2/4/2005, New York Sounds like a Freudian slip to me …  ;-) Kathie

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I do too, I some times get into trouble too, but its something we abdi’s do. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com> wrote in message

news:42960ecc$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> abdi wrote: >> Unfortunately I think xxx xxxxism trumps those polls, its like some will >> never vote for Powel if he is ever the nominee, they have done a great >> job of portraying ACLU, Democrats, liberals as traitors. Its really >> depressing and >> its usually no use arguing with these guys. They don’t let the facts get >> in the way > Ah, but I keep trying … in the hope that someday, actual thought will > prevail. That’s either incredible optimism or unrelenting insanity. > Did you see this quote from our illustrious leader? > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over > and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the > propaganda." 2/4/2005, New York > Sounds like a Freudian slip to me …  ;-) > Kathie

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Unfortunately I think xxx xxxxism trumps those polls, its like some will never vote for Powel if he is ever the nominee, they have done a great job of portraying ACLU, Democrats, liberals as traitors. Its really depressing and its usually no use arguing with these guys. They don’t let the facts get in the way — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com> wrote in message

news:42960507$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com wrote: >> I see we have two comedians.  Let’s me break this down in terms that >> you may understand.  But do people do when they have more money? >> Anyone, anyone?  They spend it.  Second question, what does the average > No necessarily. Some people save it. Some people invest. Some people are > philanthropic. >> person to when they are short of money?  Anyone, anyone?  They reduce >> their spending. > Again, that depends on the circumstances. Some people have to borrow more > money or max out credit cards in order to survive. Some go hungry or > without medical care. > Your assumptions may be true for the middle income earners but it doesn’t > hold water for the poor or the very wealthy. >> Same holds true for the federal government with the exception of >> question two.  They know how to spend but they do not know how to >> reduce spending.  So, when we have a balanced budget with a surplus >> they spend more money.  But when the economy goes in the tank thanks to >> the last Democratic president they do not know how to reduce spending. >> Hence the federal government collects less taxes and can’t afford all >> of the new spending that they created. > The economy has traditionally [since World War II] done much better under > Democrats than Republicans. But again … when these Bush lovers get into > trouble with their arguments, they haul out Clinton. Nothing is ever > Bush’s fault. > You might take a look at this recent article indicating that learned > people of all political stripes think that the economy’s in trouble … > and they don’t seem to be blaming Clinton. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/17/AR200… > *Almost Unnoticed, Bipartisan Budget Anxiety* >> So the moral of the story is balanced budget bad, deficits good. If >> they don’t have the money to spend they may show a little restraint and >> spend a less.  At least that is how it works in the real world, not >> sure how it works in your euphoric world. > How come economists disagree with you. >> KKT, I thought you had an education in psychology, could I have missed >> something, like maybe it was pet psychology?  The above is simple to > No. Sorry, I can’t help you. I studied human behavior. >> understand.  Now I will steal someone else’s line.  You shouldn’t smoke >> so much dope. > Not an original thought among ya, eh? >> And at just a precautionary note for you, allies with adbi, bad KKT, >> bad >> Good luck, Bob > According to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll … Democrats > receive a 47 percent approval rating while Republicans get only 40 > percent. These are the worst polling data for the GOP since the eve of the > Gingrich revolution of 1994. > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/11743972.htm > Cheers, > Kathie

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ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com wrote: > I see we have two comedians.  Let’s me break this down in terms that > you may understand.  But do people do when they have more money? > Anyone, anyone?  They spend it.  Second question, what does the average

No necessarily. Some people save it. Some people invest. Some people   are philanthropic. > person to when they are short of money?  Anyone, anyone?  They reduce > their spending.

Again, that depends on the circumstances. Some people have to borrow more money or max out credit cards in order to survive. Some go hungry or without medical care. Your assumptions may be true for the middle income earners but it doesn’t hold water for the poor or the very wealthy. > Same holds true for the federal government with the exception of > question two.  They know how to spend but they do not know how to > reduce spending.  So, when we have a balanced budget with a surplus > they spend more money.  But when the economy goes in the tank thanks to > the last Democratic president they do not know how to reduce spending. > Hence the federal government collects less taxes and can’t afford all > of the new spending that they created.

The economy has traditionally [since World War II] done much better under Democrats than Republicans. But again … when these Bush lovers get into trouble with their arguments, they haul out Clinton. Nothing is ever Bush’s fault. You might take a look at this recent article indicating that learned people of all political stripes think that the economy’s in trouble … and they don’t seem to be blaming Clinton. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/17/AR200… *Almost Unnoticed, Bipartisan Budget Anxiety* > So the moral of the story is balanced budget bad, deficits good. If > they don’t have the money to spend they may show a little restraint and > spend a less.  At least that is how it works in the real world, not > sure how it works in your euphoric world.

How come economists disagree with you. > KKT, I thought you had an education in psychology, could I have missed > something, like maybe it was pet psychology?  The above is simple to

No. Sorry, I can’t help you. I studied human behavior. > understand.  Now I will steal someone else’s line.  You shouldn’t smoke > so much dope.

Not an original thought among ya, eh? > And at just a precautionary note for you, allies with adbi, bad KKT, > bad > Good luck, Bob

According to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll … Democrats receive a 47 percent approval rating while Republicans get only 40 percent. These are the worst polling data for the GOP since the eve of the Gingrich revolution of 1994. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/11743972.htm Cheers, Kathie

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How about pulling a little train their good buddy!

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Its really a closed and shut case, the president is Republican and both houses too. It reminds me of this woman (in the film) who poisoned her kids, when the end for Hitler was near. There is always an apologist. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- <ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1117122369.427996.66860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I see we have two comedians.  Let’s me break this down in terms that > you may understand.  But do people do when they have more money? > Anyone, anyone?  They spend it.  Second question, what does the average > person to when they are short of money?  Anyone, anyone?  They reduce > their spending. > Same holds true for the federal government with the exception of > question two.  They know how to spend but they do not know how to > reduce spending.  So, when we have a balanced budget with a surplus > they spend more money.  But when the economy goes in the tank thanks to > the last Democratic president they do not know how to reduce spending. > Hence the federal government collects less taxes and can’t afford all > of the new spending that they created. > So the moral of the story is balanced budget bad, deficits good. If > they don’t have the money to spend they may show a little restraint and > spend a less.  At least that is how it works in the real world, not > sure how it works in your euphoric world. > KKT, I thought you had an education in psychology, could I have missed > something, like maybe it was pet psychology?  The above is simple to > understand.  Now I will steal someone else’s line.  You shouldn’t smoke > so much dope. > And at just a precautionary note for you, allies with adbi, bad KKT, > bad > Good luck, Bob

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I see we have two comedians.  Let’s me break this down in terms that you may understand.  But do people do when they have more money? Anyone, anyone?  They spend it.  Second question, what does the average person to when they are short of money?  Anyone, anyone?  They reduce their spending. Same holds true for the federal government with the exception of question two.  They know how to spend but they do not know how to reduce spending.  So, when we have a balanced budget with a surplus they spend more money.  But when the economy goes in the tank thanks to the last Democratic president they do not know how to reduce spending. Hence the federal government collects less taxes and can’t afford all of the new spending that they created. So the moral of the story is balanced budget bad, deficits good. If they don’t have the money to spend they may show a little restraint and spend a less.  At least that is how it works in the real world, not sure how it works in your euphoric world. KKT, I thought you had an education in psychology, could I have missed something, like maybe it was pet psychology?  The above is simple to understand.  Now I will steal someone else’s line.  You shouldn’t smoke so much dope. And at just a precautionary note for you, allies with adbi, bad KKT, bad Good luck, Bob

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I will do anything for money, our Taxes are so high that when I think of next year, I get scared. BTW will they evict you for no Tax payment, if you have MS. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- <ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1117043239.615528.182110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> abdi, your funny! You give me a good chuckle each morning with the > comedy you post. Ever think of starting a comic book series?

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adbi, high taxes, 40 years of democratic controlled house and senate will get you that. The last democratic president even went so far as to raise taxes on social security payments. May be you should consider giving stand comedy a try! Keep em coming buddy you got me rolling he floor. Bob

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Actually we have had a Republican governor for (I think 12 years) and divided house and senate, anyway the state is the one with property tax, you see the Federal is based on income, no income no tax, but state is always there. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- <ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1117072927.049054.268090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> adbi, high taxes, 40 years of democratic controlled house and senate > will get you that. The last democratic president even went so far as to > raise taxes on social security payments. > May be you should consider giving stand comedy a try! Keep em coming > buddy you got me rolling he floor. > Bob

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ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com wrote: > adbi, high taxes, 40 years of democratic controlled house and senate > will get you that. The last democratic president even went so far as to > raise taxes on social security payments. > May be you should consider giving stand comedy a try! Keep em coming > buddy you got me rolling he floor.

The last Democratic president also balanced the budget and created a surplus. KKT

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Good point. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com> wrote in message

news:42954033$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ibuffalo2…@hotmail.com wrote: >> adbi, high taxes, 40 years of democratic controlled house and senate >> will get you that. The last democratic president even went so far as to >> raise taxes on social security payments. >> May be you should consider giving stand comedy a try! Keep em coming >> buddy you got me rolling he floor. > The last Democratic president also balanced the budget and created a > surplus. > KKT

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abdi, your funny! You give me a good chuckle each morning with the comedy you post. Ever think of starting a comic book series?

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Like I said, they are OK, in fact one of my friends was this xxx xxxx , back in VA, he liked me because I was not Yankee, he hated Yankees and what ever happened in Civil War. Actually I learned quite a bit of civil war trivia from him. Anyway you should make sure xxx xxxxs are busy with their cousin, when they get to power, we have deficits war unemployment, generally bad stuff. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "GT Tick" <OLT…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:15846-4292A873-6@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net… If you were so awed by the xxx xxxx at the Home Depot being quite good at what he did you would have loved following me around the world building refineries and petrochemical plants.  Come to think of it you would probably be amazed at the xxx xxxx skills that built the home you live in. And as far as us xxx xxxxs loosing (sic) our position and trying to run the country…we do. Tick — — Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Tue, May 24, 2005, 12:32am (CDT+5) From: a…@yahoo.com (abdi) And that went over your head too. I do not dislike xxx xxxxs, they actually are usually quite good at what they do. I told you there is this xxx xxxx at home depot, who was instrumental in translating some (probably originally Chinese) translation of how to assemble my basketball hoop. He also came up with the idea to put wooden toothpicks, but the best was when I was totally baffled with driving nails into this cement block, so the solution turned out to drill and then screw (brilliant, the guy is under estimated), or the war in Iraq, they are making a good show. The problem is when these xxx xxxxs loose their real position and try to run the country, then we end up with silly things like, no embryonic stem cells (never mind they have no clue about it), or a war and … They are OK as long as they watch their NASCAR. *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** Visit Me At Tick’s Place… http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/

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If you were so awed by the xxx xxxx at the Home Depot being quite good at what he did you would have loved following me around the world building refineries and petrochemical plants.  Come to think of it you would probably be amazed at the xxx xxxx skills that built the home you live in.   And as far as us xxx xxxxs loosing (sic) our position and trying to run the country…we do. Tick — —         Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Tue, May 24, 2005, 12:32am (CDT+5) From: a…@yahoo.com (abdi) And that went over your head too. I do not dislike xxx xxxxs, they actually are usually quite good at what they do. I told you there is this xxx xxxx at home depot, who was instrumental in translating some (probably originally Chinese) translation of how to assemble my basketball hoop. He also came up with the idea to put wooden toothpicks, but the best was when I was totally baffled with driving nails into this cement block, so the solution turned out to drill and then screw (brilliant, the guy is under estimated), or the war in Iraq, they are making a good show. The problem is when these xxx xxxxs loose their real position and try to run the country, then we end up with silly things like, no embryonic stem cells (never mind they have no clue about it), or a war and …

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Any st-st-st-stu-stu-stutterers out there?

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"McSchatt" <McSch…@ultinet.net> wrote in message news:Xns965A137191DF7none@207.217.125.201… > Any st-st-st-stu-stu-stutterers out there?

Y-y-y-yessss….;-) And similar, but worse….;^( Dunno why this group is so inactive. Mebbe it is the result of having been hyjacked in the past by obnoxious kids? If so, it now appears to be OK, ‘cept for the low level of activity… — —  David Ruether  r…@cornell.edu  http://www.ferrario.com/ruether

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 05:54:27 GMT, McSchatt <McSch…@ultinet.net> wrote: >Any st-st-st-stu-stu-stutterers out there?

All of us. — Cheers PeterC [Rushing headlong: out of control - and there ain't no stopping]        [and there's nothing you can do about it at all]

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